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02-15-2017 , 10:47 AM

Vancouver

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 227

Play KT suited vs UTG 2.6bb open? (Only have 17 hands on villain)

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

Hero (SB): $198 (99 bb)
BB: $340.32 (170.2 bb)
UTG: $292.63 (146.3 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
BTN: $202 (101 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

UTG raises to $5.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25, BB folds

Flop: ($12.50) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($24.50) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $17, Hero folds

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Is K

a profitable call from the SB vs an UTG open?
Are we calling pre 100% of the time vs 200NL Stars villains' ranges?

02-15-2017 , 10:53 AM

TheLegend27

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 7

Seems reasonable. You have a lot of equity in the hand on a flop like that. You have to ask yourself what is the villain truly representing? AQ, AJ, AK or strong pairs Js plus.

Everything seems pretty standard from the villain's end. The only thing I don't like however is calling as SB. I'd much rather have position on the villain because every time you check it shows weakness.

TLDR: K10 suited for 5 bucks is worth it. Always worth calling a standard flop c-bet. Turn call questionable with no improvement.

02-15-2017 , 02:02 PM

Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Move down. Like right now. I dont mean it in a mean way. Pre is a 100% fold, possibly 3-bet if he folds too much vs 3-bet. You're going to lose a lot of money if you cant solve your preflop leaks, not even including postflop

02-15-2017 , 03:12 PM

Money$Team

adept

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 823

Fold pre.

I like c/c flop

I think you have the implied odds to call turn.

02-15-2017 , 04:48 PM

RoyalRumble

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 382

If you are playing this hand preflop I think an OESD has to be towards the higher equity flops you can get so to take a x/c flop, x/f turn line seems very weak.

02-15-2017 , 05:06 PM

Galfondprodigy

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minatorr

seems the most honest and correct answer, I also had this in my flatting range but checked against Snowie and others and yep it sits just outside an optimal flat range and therefore will most likely bleed of money over the long term.

02-15-2017 , 07:35 PM

mucknuts

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 785

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galfondprodigy

You needed Snowie to figure this out?

Fold pre, turn seems like a call and checking all rivers. Some hands make 2 pair when we get there, a K can be good etc.

02-16-2017 , 12:16 AM

Mad1Lee

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,830

Pre is like 90% fold 10% 3bet with this hand versus some loser utg openers. Versus <15% utg range I would just fold it every time and not feel bad about it.

Postflop, if you have have stuff like JJ-AA in your range there, you can call turn, but if the top your range is AQ/JJ there I don't think you can call down this.

02-18-2017 , 07:44 PM

OZ_Masamune

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 37

NH. Std pre and postflop.

02-19-2017 , 05:25 AM

#10

Rapidesh123

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BTW, what about flatting in the BB?
I think that with a greater discount and closing the action pre-flop it may be profitable

02-19-2017 , 11:06 AM

#11

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,093

fold pre

02-19-2017 , 12:57 PM

#12

Ojune

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,171

Pre depends on you, utg and bb

Turn is close, I'd call with the possibility of winning uninmproved. T9s would be a clear fold.

02-19-2017 , 05:38 PM

#13

Minatorr

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

BTW, what about flatting in the BB?
I think that with a greater discount and closing the action pre-flop it may be profitable

Depends. If UTG is nitty and is opening 11%, just fold. If he's laggy and opening 17%+ from UTG, call.

What sucks about the SB here is that BB can squeeze, we have terrible position if BB calls as well, and obv not getting as good of a price to call as BB.

02-20-2017 , 08:40 AM

#14

5890

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minatorr

This is never a fold in the BB vs 2.6x open even if he is nitty, easily getting pot odds and can play fine post flop

02-20-2017 , 12:05 PM

#15

Zuko

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 2,356

general advise. avoid playing oop without initiative without a solid postflop strategy. a solid postflop strategy includes knowing villains preflop range and postflop tendencies.
rather make a small mistake preflop than some big mistakes postflop.
if you are not sure it is a fold, just fold. mark the hand. figure out what to do and the next time you get in this spot you will be prepared.

02-20-2017 , 06:12 PM

#16

YoungKhalifa

journeyman

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 310

if gto had a SB flatting Range, would it put suited Broadways into this range ? i guess so, there are better Hands to 3/b fold with, would be so tilting to see no flop with a hand like QJs

02-20-2017 , 10:51 PM

#17

Minatorr

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5890

This is never a fold in the BB vs 2.6x open even if he is nitty, easily getting pot odds and can play fine post flop

Most people dont use 2.6x. I meant vs standard sizings.

And if someone is nit opening 99+/KJs+, calling K10s in the BB vs a 2.6x raise could be -EV. It's not just about pot odds.

02-25-2017 , 12:00 AM

#18

aner0

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,664

fold pre but call turn can be nice specially this concealed

02-28-2017 , 06:23 AM

#19

IClickButtons

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,613

fold pre

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