J9s on BTN vs SB 3bet 100NL Zoom - Page 3 - Small Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

CombatCarl · 06-13-2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by terp

carl you post a million standardish hands and ask for advice. honestly this should be laughed out of microstakes, so when you post it here with 100 other hands this week that the average reg navigates in his sleep, people are going to eventually get tired of it.

you do make a point to post in other people's threads, but you really need to try to be more selective about which hands you post. this spot is really, really, really dull.

Yes, I agree this thread is a mistake. It's pretty boring and nothing special.

Please delete this thread.

Thank you.

Rahm93 · 06-13-2012, 03:10 PM

Most reponses in this thread has to be a total level, right?
Call / Raise is probably pretty close but because you have an aggressive image I think raising is fine and they could stack off with a lone T (as he did in this case) in which case you have so much equity.

sinnaJ · 06-13-2012, 03:20 PM

nice lvling ITT

alextrev1111 · 06-15-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyFishFight

I would 4-bet AI pre-flop. Given that you have 4-bet a few times already I don't really see a small 4-bet working too often. But they can't call a shove unless they have it (why would they think you shove light?), and he should be 3-bet bluffing enough (which also includes hands that beat you) for a shove to be good. I think calling is very marginal and probably -EV unless you can play very well post-flop (which you can't), but a shove is +EV.

On the flop I think you should fold. He's not c-betting this type of board light. Whilst your hand might look pretty your outs are very obvious. You will not get paid off when you hit and the times you do get your stack in you will be dominated. This simply illustrates the problem with calling pre-flop. You've got a draw, and you don't want to fold, but the reverse implied odds are high and none of your options are too attractive. So don't let your pre-flop mistake make matters worse just because you flopped a piece. Let it go.

hey for a second i thought u were combatcarl

r4diohe4d · 06-16-2012, 01:13 AM

I'd take one look at the flop and fold at life.

iCrush Souls · 06-16-2012, 02:23 AM

minraise the flop. this nit won't continue with a hand that isn't made like A8 here so he'll let you know if he has a big hand by shoving. so you should raise/fold. it's probably 50/50 on the flop though in knowing because he either shoves or he doesn't.

TheWeeknd · 06-16-2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by iCrush Souls

minraise the flop. this nit won't continue with a hand that isn't made like A8 here so he'll let you know if he has a big hand by shoving. so you should raise/fold. it's probably 50/50 on the flop though in knowing because he either shoves or he doesn't.

RAISE/FOLD?!?! Are you drunk Sir? How the **** can you ever raise/fold with that SPR?

curve · 06-16-2012, 06:01 AM

I want to poke my eyes out and fist**** my own eyesockets when reading these threads.

equalsfour? · 06-16-2012, 10:15 AM

he is playing nitty with vpip and pfr preflop over your sample that i fold J9s. Over a small sample i think vpip and pfr is more telling of what type of player it is vs his 3betting stat as 3betting range needs more hands for it to be useful, its easy for villain to be massive nit and have picked up 2 big hands to make his 3betting a lot more than it is. Basically i do not think you can just say he is 3betting wide at this point.. if he is playing 22/18 weith 3bet of 7% i think you can then assume your logic easier

just my 2cents

MattDaBeast · 06-16-2012, 10:33 AM

Pre is debatable, probably fold vs this guy.

Flop is a very easy raise call. This is one of the best flops for your hand you could hope for so I'm raise/calling all day. Not sure what half the people ITT are saying lol.

iCrush Souls · 06-16-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeeknd

RAISE/FOLD?!?! Are you drunk Sir? How the **** can you ever raise/fold with that SPR?

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Originally Posted by sinnaJ

nice lvling ITT

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i <3 checkfolding · 06-16-2012, 01:17 PM

Raise/folding seems to be the best option to be vs this player and given your hand strength

thatssosick · 06-16-2012, 06:03 PM

with a premium hand like yours you cant fold preflop. calling is good to trap. on the flop you have j high so you should look to improve your hand before putting any money in.

Yeeezy · 06-25-2012, 07:16 PM

Raise or call flop, I dont think it makes a huge difference. Raise worked well here but he is rarely going to flop top pair in this spot and he misses this flop a lot of the time and wont be able to call a raise when he does miss. Your in position with literally the world draw, you are favored against any hand that isn't an over pair or a higher flush draw. I say call flop, hope to turn one of your outs (half the deck), and hope he continues barreling. If turn is a blank we are almost always calling his turn bet, unless its some kind of overbet shove and that would be a very tough spot. I think you played it fine though.. you won stacks didn't you?

CombatCarl · 06-25-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeeezy

Raise or call flop, I dont think it makes a huge difference. Raise worked well here but he is rarely going to flop top pair in this spot and he misses this flop a lot of the time and wont be able to call a raise when he does miss. Your in position with literally the world draw, you are favored against any hand that isn't an over pair or a higher flush draw. I say call flop, hope to turn one of your outs (half the deck), and hope he continues barreling. If turn is a blank we are almost always calling his turn bet, unless its some kind of overbet shove and that would be a very tough spot. I think you played it fine though.. you won stacks didn't you?

Yes, I posted the result within the thread. You can look it up if you want.

I think I'd rather put the money in on the flop. I hit my card on turn but I think it could be a action killer for him and I have position on the dude. He might not pay me off on turn. That's how I feel about it actually.