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05-04-2009 , 11:34 PM

dfhwy7856

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$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($208.00)
UTG+1 ($200.00)
CO ($69.07)
Hero (BTN) ($218.00)
SB ($435.00)
BB ($213.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN 8

UTG calls $2, UTG+1 raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $9, SB calls $8, BB raises to $40, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero goes all-in $218

Villain is laggy and had been coolered for stacks a few times and started to 3bet every single one of my opens and was playing like a monkey overall. UTG limper is a fish and the isolater was some abc tag who folds to way too many 3bets. My image was laggy, but I thought with 35bb in the pot already + villain's 3bet range being like 10-20% of hands I figured this can't be that much -ev. Right...?

05-04-2009 , 11:36 PM

DevinLake

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without stoving it, I'd say I don't like it. He needs to be squeezing pretty wide here (12% will be my guess), and given an EP iso raise, I'd usually just give him credit here and fight back against his 3bets/squeezes in spots where his range is definitely wider.

Now to go check my guess...

Edit: I didn't even notice SB's over call. For some villains that opens his squeeze range, for others hit narrows it. Also, SB can have hands they aren't fold regardless to, like TT, JJ, AK.

05-04-2009 , 11:38 PM

BGnight

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ranges and equity and stuff

can't be horrible

05-04-2009 , 11:39 PM

iCrush Souls

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i like that you did it with an A in your hand.

05-04-2009 , 11:40 PM

Sh!p!tOn3T!m3

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wow.

05-04-2009 , 11:44 PM

amoeba

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its not that -EV but I think there are better ways to make money off this guy right?

05-04-2009 , 11:44 PM

DevinLake

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If he's calling TT+,AQs+,AQo+, he needs to be 3betting 9.7%. Is that reasonable?

05-04-2009 , 11:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinLake

If he's calling TT+,AQs+,AQo+, he needs to be 3betting 9.7%. Is that reasonable?

really? is that it?? from OP's description this seems like +EV then. esp as for a monkey thats a real good spot to squeeze

05-04-2009 , 11:54 PM

Jamougha

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Guess the slowplay is ok given dynamics.

05-04-2009 , 11:58 PM

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Divinevert

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If I could marry this move and get a big house and have it's little move babies, I would.

05-05-2009 , 12:06 AM

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From OP's description it seems as though villain could be pretty tilted, and if that is the case, then i hate this. He will call with TT and AJs all day.

05-05-2009 , 12:09 AM

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dfhwy7856

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamougha

Guess the slowplay is ok given dynamics.

LOL.

Also, I have to add I had just 4bet-folded a while ago against him CO vs BTN (had a bad feeling about it but had decent blockers+he was 3betting every single one of my opens when I was isolating a limp-folding 45/3 donk and couldn't just keep folding), and with our redicilously aggro dynamic I do not expect him to ever fold anything on his value 3bet range.

05-05-2009 , 12:10 AM

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Divinevert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Lave

From OP's description it seems as though villain could be pretty tilted, and if that is the case, then i hate this. He will call with TT and AJs all day.

He probably won't call with AJs and, moreover, it's just unlikely he will turn up with TT here if he's just re-raising everything mindlessly.

05-05-2009 , 12:11 AM

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dfhwy7856

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Lave

From OP's description it seems as though villain could be pretty tilted, and if that is the case, then i hate this. He will call with TT and AJs all day.

I'm not trying to get him to fold TT or AJs, I'm trying to pick up the 35bb on the pot against a redicilously wide range and have ~30% equity when called and have teh A blocker. Still not sure though, would probably be better against a range that's a bit narrower but with more fold equity.

Oh, and besides the suspicious 5bet a while ago (didn't see his hand), I hadn't seen villain stack off light pre once. He just seemed to have some grudge against me and 3bet like it's the only option preflop.

05-05-2009 , 12:14 AM

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El P

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he's not folding AJ/TT are you guys crazy?

i like it for the post you just made grunt.

05-05-2009 , 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by amoeba

its not that -EV but I think there are better ways to make money off this guy right?

definetly, but I was steaming a bit as well

05-05-2009 , 12:17 AM

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Divinevert

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Originally Posted by DaGrunt

Well then two points:

1. I guess I withdraw my previous comment about AJs folding ever

2. Does it alter the dynamic ever that he is raising a different player's open? Had he been re-raising blindly every time you were in a pot, or just re-raising your specific raises?

05-05-2009 , 12:20 AM

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So I never think guys are as spewy as they are assumed (w/ few exceptions at least), but I don't think the spot is horribad, only slightly bad. I think there is a good chance he is squeezing more or less for value, and I don't think he folds AJo+, 66+ vs you w/ how it was played. If he just squeezes a lot because he can, then squeeze isn't bad @ all

05-05-2009 , 12:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Buff Disciple

if you are right about his calling range, he now needs to be squeezing 14.5% of the time. I don't use squeeze stats when i play, but 14.5% seems like it would be huge in this situation.

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