Hey guys...

I switched to 6max NL50 2 month ago to get started. Acutall I am playing NL100. My History is quite big. I played Limit Holdem for a quite long time than I started playing HUSNG's the
the 60$ Turbos and the 30$ Superturbo's so iam familair to almost everything.

At the moment I work really hard to climb the stakes at 6max NL. Everything works fine at the moment. The issue that makes me crazy is the fact that after every session I have negative "non showdown profits". I know that big names like dustin schmidt have positive non showdown profits.


What is a "normal" expectation or what are your expectations. How many guys out there have profits on the non showdown side. If not whats a good result ( = lossbb/100?)

I play 4 tables at the moment to be max focused on what is going on.

This are my stats




I think I should work on double and tripel barreling spots as bluffs. Furthemore I think Iam too nitty on the flop against some guys.What do you think?

I would be really happy to hear what comes up in your mind about this issue and I appreciate any opinion.

I'm also struggling with my Non-SD-winnings.
I think it's an important factor to save you when you aren't running good.

Sometimes my Non-SD-winnings are very high, but more often they are negative. I think it depends a lot on tableselection. When you're sitting on a table full of very tight players, you can - like you said - barrel a lot because they are folding when they didn't hit the flop. Try to 3b more IP and raise some flops IP against players which are cbetting >80%.

I'm looking forward to some answers from players who are constantly winning a lof with Non-SD-winnings.

Well I win most of my $ with showdown winnings, but if you want to REDUCE your loss non-showdown this thread will help you alot.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...t-ever-791734/

Stand up
Poke your hips out to the left, now swing them to the right and repeat.

Dick swinging is the ultimate red line technique.

You cold call more in SB than in MP/CO. This could be a leak imo.

fold more against 3bets, 4bet more.

W$SD 57% is extremely high. seems like you rund like god.

3bet more in position, why would you 3bet more out of position than in it?

Your flop cbet and turn cbet makes you pretty predictable. You never reach the river with a strong holding oop it appears. You can probably boost that bet ip by atleast 10% (vs missed cbet).

Your 4bet stat and range need opening in a big way. People are printing money 3betting you and cbetting, fold more v 3bets and 4b more.

Regardless of these leaks, you are winning at 5bb/100 (albeit only 1week sample size) so smash another 10 weeks out then come back with a sample.

jam every river and your redline will skyrock

Isn't it better to focus more on W$SD where the pot size is +125BB?

I think if you get too carried away with W$WOSD, then you are going to become a bluff monkey like Lord_Ferus here.

that comes from the buy who opens atc utg?

bet bet shove for best red line

6% gap between vpip and pfr is kinda high, 3bet the button more to close the gap (and 3b in position more in general). Open a few more buttons.

You call too many 3bets, calling too many 3bets then playing straightforward post is gonna kill your red line and profits in general

You seem to be doing ok so far anyway, these look like the obvious weaknesses to me.

you only steal 39% from the BTN but 49% from the SB
thats quite hilarious

Guys... nice answers. I really like all of them despite them from funny mr bluff lord_ferus which made me laugh at least

But is also contains big truth anyway.

Of course I should look to 3bet more IP. I think the thing is why I coldcall more from late postion and 3bet more OOP is the fact that I dont want to play OOP. On the other hand I have better odds to play with these hands.

Lets say KJo,KQ,JTs,JTs and other stuff of course I love to call on the co or bu but hate to play them OOP. (of course its also a matter of villians range...)


Yeah you dont have to get too much lost in just one thing. But I also think that its really important to focus on everything worth it right?

Yeah this is my first answer. I think I have to reset my opinion for this issue and study this once more.


You are absolutely right. Playing loose on the button and tigher on the SB is a default strategy. But the thing is I always look on my opponents and they are so many times tight or nittys guys so Iam loose.....

I think this will change by time or by stakes of course

Yup, I used to play this way. Red line went straight up, blue line went straight down.

try ridiculous bluffs, bet bet shove, bluff-call your redline will be SICK