Just wondering if anyone out there has signed up for upswing poker, and am hoping I could get some opinions on it? As someone who's beating NL25, is there a lot I could get from it?

I've gone from NL2 to NL25 without spending a cent on any coaching/training of any kind, but am now considering making the investment. Has anybody out there used it and had significant improvement in the way they're thinking about the game? Would you recommend getting it?

If so or if not, why?

Cheers.

I haven't used their site, but I recommend Run it Once if you are open to other sites. GLGL

i bought the post flop engine and found it very helpful in just bit of a refresher and a new way to figure out situations faster, was well worth the 7dollars or something that it cost, but not sure on buying the lab myself as it seems abit of a joke that if you get it monthly you have to pay triple for the first month, if they was so certain that they are the best and you will stay with them once joining up they wouldn't need to charge a high fee for initially joining, shame really because i would be very interested if this wasn't the case.

I purchased the lab and I am a 200-600 NL winning player and I did find value in it in my game, I think the lab would be a great investment at your level to help you get up to about 200NL or a little higher. Doug in my opinion has a rare gift in explaining poker and making it enjoyable to watch and learn. He doesn't just do videos of watching people play, but a ton of videos showing you how he thinks on a basic level. I think that basic level thinking can be applied in more advanced spots too. Also Doug and Fees have been great answering questions in the facebook forum daily.

As for the price I think it fair since it isn't just a bunch of videos, but rather almost a course in how to think about poker. Therefore you obtain a ton of value that first month going through that course. And they realize there is value after the first month with the facebook group and their additional content, but not the huge amt you will get the first month.

Biggest waste of $7. Basically two videos and 5 ppt slides to explain the difference between value bets, bluffs, and bluff catchers.

Want to say a few things about the various comments in here.

First off, the postflop engine is an introduction to strategic thinking. It is aimed at new/micro stakes players, and is marketed as such (At least it should be! I always try to say that in my streams or when people email me). It teaches you how to categorize your hands in a basic way to create the framework for your strategy. The fundamentals in it I use in my game even at high stakes, albeit I use a much more complex version with many other factors being taken into consideration.

The lab teaches you how to think and play about poker. The lab starts off with basic information, and then discusses preflop/postflop/game elements. It contains ~27 modules, and 21 videos of me ranging from 3-30 minutes (Average length probably 10-12 minutes). We think that the most value is in the first month, which is why we charge more the first month. You also get access to the facebook play and explain group, where fees and I stop by to answer questions daily.

It is tough because the lab is made soley by myself and Ryan Fee, so we update with content as we can. We have made a commitment to getting 1 new module into the lab with information (The one we just put up was on Turn Play) a month, and 30 minutes of play and explain each. We do not have other pros with filler content, so it takes a lot from us. We feel our pricing helps reflect this.

I would say the PFE is aimed at players who are new-10 nl type levels. I would say the lab is aimed @ ssnl players up to 400/600 nl. I think if you play higher then that, there is still value there in what you can learn. Much it will be a glossing over fundamentals, but it only takes a small amount of learning at those stakes for it to be worth the investment.

Zobags, check your pm's. I don't like having unhappy customers and I am sure we can work out something to rectify the situation.

Haven't talked to fees in a long time, but back in the day I always trusted his poker advice more than most, so I doubt some of the negative things people say in this thread are correct. haven't played with Upswing Poker yet though.

Decided to go ahead and purchase the LAB and I can say I'm impressed. At the current time, I'm yet to join the Facebook group but have begun progressing through the various strategy videos.

The purchase is most certainly worth it, and if you genuinely don't believe you can make the $300 back in the space of a year from the content you were given....poker probably isn't the game from you.

Doug's articulation is brilliant and you get the perception that he's genuinely an intelligent person away from the table too. He explains things in a way that makes it simple to understand whilst still retaining a "chess" like analysis.

I've never used any other site before but I find the set up to be incredibly rewarding. The videos of Ryan/Doug playing work incredibly well as a progression of the modules. It gives you the opportunity to watch their play and attempt to make your own street by street decision before they do, determining whether or not you've correctly interpreted and are able to apply what you've learnt through the other videos.

Zoobags, You've been a member of 2+2 for 10 years, so have probably been playing poker for longer. I don't think a $7 postflop engine should supply someone like that with anything revolutionary lol. I was also more specifically referring to the lab, and I can happily say i'm impressed

Thanks Danny How have you been?

Thanks J123B .

Zoobags the PFE might have been too basic for you because you are a more advanced player. That said it is only $7 and is WELL worth the investment for the majority of people who buy it. We see people in very high stakes games make mistakes that the PFE would correct.

I would say check out the lab man. We worked hard on it for months and work to update it constantly. There has been a tremendous number of people with feedback similar to J123B if you check out our testimonials page.

haha the answer that question is way too tl;dr for bedtime. let's chat later. ttyl.

Are the videos from the lab iphone friendly?

I hope it doesnt look like I am some kind of shill since this is my first post but w/e, I am genuinely impressed with the site.

I got the lab like 4 days ago, and my game is on a whole nother level now. I used to just play tournaments since I really didn't understand cash games. But now I understand I was just a huge fish postflop. That's probably why I liked tournaments since most of the time you are really short and you only play 1 street poker alot of the time, but I mean I held my own. I actually thought I was the **** cause I cashed in a wsop event, but I really just knew how to get QQ in pre.

Now I'm 3 betting 46s and shoving 8 high on rivers and I can't be happier.

I'm trying to find a balance, I'm trying to build a balance.

I can hear people uninstalling pokerstars as we speak lol

**** off shill

Can we do IP checks?

Are these all Doug's accounts?

OT you should definitely work on your email campaign

I didn't sign up just because it's garbage

ya my bad for trying to help other poker players out. keep being a lame conspiracy theorist. sorry i dont ever post on 2+2, since i like avoiding people like u.

ok im not saying im crushing by any means. it's not a big sample, since again I used to just play tournaments. I started playing cash again after I got the lab. take of it as you will.

where the mods at

Here, I don't really have a problem with it, it's not like Ryan or Doug are spamming the forum and nor is it like zenp0ker is any great ambassador for the brand, he's not exactly going to drive any business with that graph.

Zen if you want to give a running commentary then make a thread in the goals forums, I will delete any more pointless posts by you. You've said you like it, that's enough.

Sounds good. My only intent with the graphs was to prove I was a real person after this accusation.
I was also a little tilted after the comment below and wasn't thinking clearly.

I thought I was proving I was real, but now looking at it, it looks like i was continuing to promote the site. My bad, I was not thinking clearly and it was a mistake and not my intention. I tried to go back and delete the graphs an hour after I posted them but I couldn't figure it out. I'm done here.

I'm looking to improve my LLSNL game. I play mostly 1/3 with a bit of 2/5. At what level would this website help improve a live player's game?

I downloaded the $7.00 postflop engine. I found it relatively helpful, but again is it applicable to LLSNL? 6max or FR?

Yea, It's all still relevant to live, plus there's live specific stuff in the lab too.

Just bought a 6mo subscription to check it out. Is there a way to increase the quality of the videos? It's almost impossible to make out the hand range charts with the default quality and I don't see any other buttons to change it.

Doug Polk and Ryan Fees won the tag team event at the WSOP this year, my team finished 8th, one of my partners (Ihavethewheel) is on here, it was really awesome making the final table. But to be honest, it was a nightmare playing against Doug, you really never knew where you were against him. During the final table bubble, Ihavethewheel was on Doug's immediate right 5 handed, we lost about 80k before the final table was made. Ever since, I've been contemplating getting the lab. One because he's a very likable person, two I want to win the next final table I make and crush cash games.

I am leaning towards subscribing, I like his post flop engine.

wtf happened in that 2nd graph? looks like the lab aint working well

lol @ these two guys defending their site every time someone is not happy with the content...