The trend is that a lot of players right now are min 4 betting in position. Something that I think works quite well because it is difficult to play against. I see more people doing this and find myself facing min 4 bets occasionally. How do we counteract a min 4 bet when we are oop?

Ex:
Btn opens for 2.5bb and Hero 3 bets to 10bb from the big blind. Btn min 4 bets to 17.5bb. How do we play our bluffs and premium hands given we are 100bb deep?

I mean there is only little room left for bluffing since if we make it around 25-28bb we are giving villain too good odds to call so do we simply give up on our bluffs even if villain has a wide 4 bet range? If he has a wide range we can of course widen our 5 bet value range but do we shove to collect (0.5+10+17.5) 28bb or do we make a 5 bet? It seems like a big shove where we might play poorly against his calling range. On the other hand how can we 5 bet without clearly committing ourself or without giving him to good odds to call and play a big pot in position against us?

Call a decent amount and c/s some flops

Fold preflop

End life.

min 5b obv

Depends on how wide he 4-bets. You could 3-bet less, 5-bet jam more, call more 4-bets and be prepared to play for it on many flops etc.

How do we play our bluffs and premium hands given we are 100bb deep?

Are you trying to balance your overall range? Please dont say your trying to balance in the blinds.

Fold preflop
End Life.

...figure out why he would 4bet small and not flat IP, guestimate his 4betting range
...figure out how he plays what hands on what flops
...adjust 3betting range accordingly (includes intended 5bet jam range and flatting to CR flop etc. pp range)

I think the best general strategy assuming he 4bet bluffs a decent clip is to simply 3bet bluff less (not at all) and value 3bet more. Also depends on how much he opens to begin with, probably a decent idea to get better at playing BvBTN with a well constructed range vs a wide range but lacking position.

Getting that price I would start calling the 4bets.

If you're worrying about pure balancing, just make sure you take the same action every time preflop with your whole range (whether it's call/shove/min5b or w/e).

I guess you mean deception rather than balance? You can have a balanced strategy without playing all your hands the same.

Also can be unbalanced while playing all hands the same

Yeah I guess deception is the better word ^

I know I can balance my range my calling all min 4 bets and playing oop but I am wondering if we can have a 5 bet range that consists of both value and bluffs. I don't agree that shove is the best solution for our value hands but at the same time I also believe that a smaller 5 bet will clearly commit our stack or give villain too good odds to call so I am inclined to call the 4 bets. However as most people I hate playing oop in big pots and if I start to flat JJ, QQ etc I will have to play a lot of difficult flops oop (A, K or (Q) high flops). That is why I would prefer to have a 5 bet range. I am not sure if it is better to just call the 4 bet with decent hands (and mix in a few premium hands sometimes) and have the 5 bet range to only be value hands. This range is adjusted according to how often he 4 bets ofc. However if this is the case should I then shove or make a smaller 5 bet if I am only 5 betting for value?

I don't actually see that this scenario depends on how wide a 4 bet range he has as long as it also includes bluffs ofc. If he has a wide range then my potential 5 bet value range is wider. My major concern here is not how often we should 5bet/call 4 bet oop but more WHEN we face it, HOW do we react?

I am talking about a reg that always 4 bets small when he 4 bets. My basic assumption is that the general reg min 4 bets his premium hands and hands that are bordeline between calling and folding where he can take control of the pot by min 4 betting (controlling the action post).

well I believe that the min 4 bets are heavily geared towards value (say 2/3 vs 1/3 ish - perhaps more) but at this level it is not a situation you see a lot of so completely cutting the 3 bet bluffs seems a bit of an overreaction imo especially because most regs open +35% on the btn with a high fold to 3 bet percentage. By the last part you mean flatting more in the blinds, right? I am doing this a lot but I also like to take advantage of the high fold to 3bet the btn usually have. Also what about when we are in SB? Then I don't like to call too much.

You mention 5 bet shoving. Don't you think it is too big a shove?

Agree, vs min4bets we can play super fit or fold and be profitable.

Any other size also commits us, pick whatever you think gets most action for the valueportion of your range...could very well be clicking it back.

I think the benefit of shoving is that he'll change his 4bet range towards mostly value thinking along the lines of "i'll trap him with a small raise if I have a value hand and he'll overshove a hand we have crushed with our value range like A5s" which we can outadjust against.