I had 30 hands on villian, he had standard stats but could still be a fish. I don't see any good player check raise a flush that isn't the nut flush and never bluffing without having the nut flushdraw.

Blerrg. That turn checkraise is a really serious show of strength and I think you need some reads here, but readless I have to just call down and take a note if he bluffed, which is not likely really; you should plan to call any river other than J or 5 if you call turn because are either drawing dead or have our opponent drawing very thin and you can never call and fold a blank river in this spot. So go with your gut; if you feel this player can do this with worse (air, fd, overpair) then close your eyes and call down but there is a chance of the sick hero fold on the turn if you put him on mostly boats.

Basically the villain is bluffing a really terrible card to bluff, there is no reason we can't have a flush or 33/55 and if he is value betting against that range it's a lot of JJ given we hold the nut flush.

Call; we're at the top of our range.

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Wrong - 55 is technically the top but 33 is a serious possibility, as well as JJ depending how you play it preflop.

either fold turn, or call turn and river.

when people say top of range. they dont mean the exact top hand. they mean the range of hands which are at the top


folding somewhere prob fine. doubt anyone is bluffing here with KsTx. (if its a fish, im not folding, cause they can over play worse flushes) and 5x

whilst we are at top of range, blocking all their bluffing hands(AsXx) isnt great. Nobody will hate on you for calling (cause of top of range), but when its a spot where nobody is going to be jamming worse for value, or bluffing. then its ok to fold.

This.

**** him, next hand, sigh.

Easy call. We have to discount boats to some extent because many ppl would c/c a boat on the turn instead of going for a c/r.

ya, if he plays it this badly (imo) then you can just pay him off, he'll have worse than boats enough of the time

oh please do tell. if hes x/r and jamming Kqss, KTss or QTss, what the hell is he expecting to get called by?

eh you're probably right.

I call too much

because you flatted flop you're kind of relegated to calling here. both of your ranges are still really wide heading to the river.

kind of ****ty spot since it's a show of massive strength but calling for reasons already stated above

Raise flop, fold turn (on reraise).

I don't think for standard stats players one pair or two pair hands check-raise the turn on that board.

If player is LAG might be doing it as semi-bluff. For standard stat player probably fold.

In some ways not having the As would make this call easier since we could put some As in his range on the turn. I supposed he could CR some 5x, hoping for a combo shove. Seems like a stretch, but as played w/o better reads I think I call it off. Not loving it though.

I'm going to assume you knew your blinds well because cold calling pre-flop seems a little iffy. I'd love to say that I kept my opponents weaker range in, and avoided getting squeezed in a high squeeze spot, but the reality is few people play this kind of hand profitably here. Just basing that on seeing lots of regs databases.

Why keep pot small if you have the boat on the turn and opponent could be sitting on a flush or flush draw - both of whom are going to pay to see the river card.

Flush draw will not pay the river but flush could pay on river too. If you slow play boat here on the turn you probably lose getting paid.

Given the general creativity of the 0815 100NL regular you should probably "lol" fold the turn.

But then again, you haz a flush, flushez are tough to make. I wouldn't blame you for calling down or just folding turn. EV wise its never going to make too big of a difference anyway.

Top pair ? AA ? Worst flushes, trips? He doesnt have a full stack and hero has 30 hands on him, there is a high chance that he is at least weak/semi-fish. Lots of them could overplay Q high flush in this spot.

read my other post. alreaady said that.

fwiw, i never fold.