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Old 05-12-2017, 05:22 PM   #1
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Considering nitty fold OTR

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $66.23 (264.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $69.18 (276.7 bb)
UTG: $59.93 (239.7 bb)
MP: $22.77 (91.1 bb)
CO: $33.43 (133.7 bb)
BTN: $22.10 (88.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J 4
4 folds, SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 5 Q 7 (2 players)
SB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($3) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.63, SB calls $1.63

River: ($6.26) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.41, SB raises to $15, Hero folds

Villain is 20/10/2.9 after 91 hands.
I know this fold might seem very bad and nitty but considering the player pool's tendencies at 25NL I don't see how this could ever be a bluff. A worse flush would probably bet 3 times here and a straight is very unlikely imo. I feel like this is more of a trap with Axs/Kxs for that sizing OTR. I don't see enough x-raise bluffs at this limit to be confortable calling here, so I think we can make an exploitative fold. Let me know if I'm totally wrong!
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Old 05-13-2017, 09:55 AM   #2
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Re: Considering nitty fold OTR

3bet pre because of blah blah blah.

I'm not folding river. BvB with a flush on a coordinated board, villain can have worse hands than ours that he's raising for value cause of how we played it
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Old 05-13-2017, 10:31 PM   #3
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3bet pre because of blah blah blah.
no

OP, don't fold river
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Old 05-13-2017, 11:17 PM   #4
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Yeh, I don't think I like three-betting a 20/10 nit here with 20-25% of hands. I would 3-bet this hand vs more active players who open too wide from the SB.

Don't fold river
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:26 AM   #5
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Apart from bigger on the turn i think you played it fine. River is close, think you can go either way really but i agree population tendencies suggest a fold. Can't remember the last time i ever saw a c/r bluff on the river back when i played 25nl.
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Old 05-16-2017, 07:56 PM   #6
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Apart from bigger on the turn i think you played it fine. River is close, think you can go either way really but i agree population tendencies suggest a fold. Can't remember the last time i ever saw a c/r bluff on the river back when i played 25nl.
I would call this. The 6 on the river might have given villain the straight. He might have raised based on that. Hero didn't really show that he had the flush at any point in the hand. I think this is a call.
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:25 PM   #7
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I would call this. The 6 on the river might have given villain the straight. He might have raised based on that. Hero didn't really show that he had the flush at any point in the hand. I think this is a call.
Might have given+might have raised+might have seen your play as not possibly having a flush.
Too many "might".

Or he "might" just have the nut flush.
Just one "might".

It's not GTO obviously but at 25nl if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck then damn it assume it's a duck and treat it as such:
you have what looks like a tight reg (post flop aggr factor would've helped btw, you only listed preflop stats) at 25nl check-raising on the river for a large enough size on a flush board.
It's usually the nuts. Do you have the nuts? No -> Muck and move on.
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:35 PM   #8
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Re: Considering nitty fold OTR

What do u think about raising flop?
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:15 PM   #9
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Might have given+might have raised+might have seen your play as not possibly having a flush.
Too many "might".

Or he "might" just have the nut flush.
Just one "might".

It's not GTO obviously but at 25nl if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck then damn it assume it's a duck and treat it as such:
you have what looks like a tight reg (post flop aggr factor would've helped btw, you only listed preflop stats) at 25nl check-raising on the river for a large enough size on a flush board.
It's usually the nuts. Do you have the nuts? No -> Muck and move on.
Quack quack!
I love how you've put this
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:41 AM   #10
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What do u think about raising flop?
I don't love it. Seemed like the villain was just taking a stab at the pot, so raising would just get a fold. He flopped a great hand, and he wants to build the pot as much as possible.
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