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| Small Stakes PL/NL Discussions regarding small stakes pot and no-limit hold'em (50c-1 to 1-2) |
06-14-2012, 12:40 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 180
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Common turn spot, 100nl
This is at an anonymous game so I don't have very much information, but villain is running 22/17 and 3betting 6% over about 60 hands. So far he's cbet at 65%. He has not gone to showdown yet so I don't really have any reads but he is surely a reg.
Prima, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
Hero: $204.69 (204.7 bb)
MP: $115.33 (115.3 bb)
CO: $156 (156 bb)
BTN: $105.36 (105.4 bb)
SB: $72.09 (72.1 bb)
Preflop:
2 folds, BTN raises to $3, SB folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($6.50) 6  9  2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($6.50) K (2 players)
Hero ?
I'm never really sure what to do. What is everyone's plan for turn? And what about river?
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06-14-2012, 12:45 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Somewhere in Asia
Posts: 3,351
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Just hit fold and get out on turn if your site allows it.
I'd donk 3/5 on flop if I'm gonna take a shot.
Last edited by CombatCarl; 06-14-2012 at 12:47 AM.
Reason: mistake
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06-14-2012, 01:23 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Javelling wars
Posts: 7,245
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
What's your hand?
I'm pretty sure CombatCarl is not sure whatever hand he has. But we wouldn't take him as an example would we?
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06-14-2012, 01:27 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 180
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Sorry I have 8d8h.
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06-14-2012, 01:37 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Javelling wars
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Then this becomes more interesting....
I check.
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06-14-2012, 01:47 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,130
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Bet turn, x/call most rivers or x/call turn x/call most rivers. Against a passive opponent it's better to bet turn, readless I don't mind taking one line or the other.
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06-14-2012, 01:50 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Bet turn, x/call most rivers or x/call turn x/call most rivers. Against a passive opponent it's better to bet turn, readless I don't mind taking one line or the other.
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Why? Betting turn to x/c most rivers doesn't make much sense to me, since villain will rarely check rivers once he bets turns.
Well, it does make sense, sorry...
But you keep his range not as wide by betting as you would by checking IMO. And our hand is not good enough to bet twice for value against villain's checking range.
Last edited by Jever; 06-14-2012 at 01:56 AM.
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06-14-2012, 01:58 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Somewhere in Asia
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Bet turn, x/call most rivers or x/call turn x/call most rivers. Against a passive opponent it's better to bet turn, readless I don't mind taking one line or the other.
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say i am v
u check flop and donk turn
i will club u like seals
so donk big on flop to take it down
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06-14-2012, 02:05 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Javelling wars
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Quote:
Originally Posted by CombatCarl
say i am v
u check flop and donk turn
i will club u like seals
so donk big on flop to take it down
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The Riddler or just Joker?
IMO Riddler, since the Joker had this simple pragmatic anarchy, while the riddler just riddled away...
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06-14-2012, 02:57 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,130
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jever
But you keep his range not as wide by betting as you would by checking IMO. And our hand is not good enough to bet twice for value against villain's checking range.
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Keeping his range wide is only good if he's going to turn into a bluff what he checked back the flop with. But as I said I don't mind either line readless.
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06-14-2012, 03:44 AM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 145
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Keeping his range wide is only good if he's going to turn into a bluff what he checked back the flop with. But as I said I don't mind either line readless.
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We're betting turn to fold out/charge handswith equity and preventing him from creating an effective 2 barrel situation for his bluffs.
We can also consider x/f on 10-q river...And x/r on essentially any river including flushes based on sizing and timing.
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06-14-2012, 04:41 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jever
The Riddler or just Joker?
IMO Riddler, since the Joker had this simple pragmatic anarchy, while the riddler just riddled away...
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I was talking hypothetical situation. Say OP has two napkins and I have same.
We are just gonna try to win the pot using our perceived range.
OP checks flop and donks out on that turn, I will club him like seals senseless until he is unconscious or dead.
So I'm not The Joker or Riddler, but Goku.
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06-14-2012, 04:44 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 73
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Check obviously. We should be checking a **** load of our range on this turn anyway.
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06-14-2012, 04:55 AM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 145
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Quote:
Originally Posted by CombatCarl
I was talking hypothetical situation. Say OP has two napkins and I have same.
We are just gonna try to win the pot using our perceived range.
OP checks flop and donks out on that turn, I will club him like seals senseless until he is unconscious or dead.
So I'm not The Joker or Riddler, but Goku.
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You plan ondoing that how exactly with a range capped at top and bottom and usually much worse against sets flush draws top pairs+ and 88 sometimes? Gl.
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06-14-2012, 04:57 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Re: Common turn spot, 100nl
Quote:
Originally Posted by r4diohe4d
You plan ondoing that how exactly with a range capped at top and bottom and usually much worse against sets flush draws top pairs+ and 88 sometimes? Gl.
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You honestly think the K hits his range more than mine? GL
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