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cold 4bet AA vs reg flat cold 4bet AA vs reg flat

07-16-2016 , 08:17 AM
Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Reg is well known with: VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2,3, 4bet range%: 1,6 Hands: 3947
Hero: 4bet 18,5% , 4bet range%: 3,8.

Hero (SB): $59.69 (119.4 bb)
BB: $53.40 (106.8 bb)
MP: $156.74 (313.5 bb)
CO: $66.65 (133.3 bb)
BTN: $57.06 (114.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
MP raises to $1.50, CO raises to $4.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $12.50, 2 folds, CO calls $8.25

Flop: ($27) K 2 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, CO calls $9

Turn: ($45) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25

River: ($59.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $37.90 and is all-in, Hero ??

Is it always KK with this sizing on the turn and shoving on the river or sometimes AK? Is he doing that with QQ as a bluff knowing I have AA ?
07-16-2016 , 09:21 AM
There's a lot of lines I would take on board, folding isn't one of them.
07-16-2016 , 10:10 AM
Why do you check on turn? Just take him to value town. I think he turns more AK than KK here and its a pretty safe board.
07-16-2016 , 09:45 PM
I can't even comprehend a fold here, if he does have kk chalk it up as a cooler.
07-20-2016 , 05:19 PM
jam turn, not sure why we are checking
07-21-2016 , 09:28 AM
You think he turns his QQ into bluff to make you fold AA?
07-21-2016 , 06:51 PM
How MUBSy can one be to arrive at the turn in 4 bet pot on K22r with AA w/ 1 PSB left and do anything besides gii?
07-21-2016 , 07:32 PM
Don't cbet
07-22-2016 , 05:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsoluteTilt
Don't cbet
Very good point I think.
07-22-2016 , 03:44 PM
if ur oppenent is just some random nl50 reg who is clicking buttons like most of the playerpool then it is a call, but if he is range aware then he is most likely not shoving ak here so it becomes a fold.
07-22-2016 , 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsoluteTilt
Don't cbet
It's clear at this point that I am in the slow class. Why would you not bet that flop?

I'm probably going to embarrass myself by guessing here, but is it because villain bets with AK and we know we have him and he checks K's full so we have to watch our step?

What if he has QQ, wouldn't he check behind as well?
07-23-2016 , 08:55 AM
He is a very decent reg, well known, so he showed KK at the end. I think against well known opponents it's just a fold on the river.
07-26-2016 , 03:21 AM
lol, never fold river, he has more AK here than KK
07-26-2016 , 05:56 AM
May sound like a nit but it is closer than people think. Betting super small ott and shoving river screams kk. Ak more likely to bet super small again on river. Don't think I can find a fold in game tho, and would just jam turn
07-26-2016 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by yasuo
May sound like a nit but it is closer than people think. Betting super small ott and shoving river screams kk. Ak more likely to bet super small again on river. Don't think I can find a fold in game tho, and would just jam turn
I think it's better to check/call a jam on OTT Than jam urself cuz he might hero fold AK but jam himself instead. Same case on the river . I really thought about folding OTR used my whole time bank and called.
07-26-2016 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by IClickButtons
lol, never fold river, he has more AK here than KK
Once we have AA It blocks ton of AK combos so I don't see him having more AK combos than KK.
07-26-2016 , 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kerolis
Once we have AA It blocks ton of AK combos so I don't see him having more AK combos than KK.
Please count.
07-26-2016 , 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kerolis
Once we have AA It blocks ton of AK combos so I don't see him having more AK combos than KK.
Regardless youre not folding either way.
07-26-2016 , 08:26 AM
Maybe if you were 400bb's deep this would be a different story, but youre basically getting 3:1 on youre river call i cant see myself folding here
07-26-2016 , 09:01 AM
Closer than it looks like coz the value bet with AK is pretty thin OTR, so it's all about guessing game if you think that vilain will shove his AK or not
On an other hands given odds even if he's shoving his AK only 40% of time we still good to call so ... unless you have a decent read that vilain will definitly check back his AK here call prob still better
07-26-2016 , 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsoluteTilt
Don't cbet
Cbetting is fine here especially if you are known to 4bet/squeeze trash or cbet more than most.

I'd bet $14, like half pot then just get the rest in on the turn and river.

Call river.

Villain is never going to be turning AK into a bluff, that's just leveling you're going through.

If villain has KK, smile at the monitor, stretch your arms and get right back in.

Your flop bet and check turn is fishy. Just Get it in. You want to get money from AK and KQ(If villain is fishy and calls with that stuff.)

I've seen plenty of villains call flops with QQ, JJ, etc so you should at least go for a flop value bet.
07-26-2016 , 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IClickButtons
Please count.
Are there not still 6 combos of AK left? That's more than the KK combos...
07-27-2016 , 04:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
Are there not still 6 combos of AK left? That's more than the KK combos...
Correct this is my mistake.
07-27-2016 , 05:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
Are there not still 6 combos of AK left? That's more than the KK combos...
Correct. Plus we need only 28% for our call being breakeven. So folding river is just lol.

      
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