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Shovel, you look too strong after turn raise, so just shove and hope he has Ax and he's bad enougg to call you off..

I think a lot of times villain has TJh, KTh or KJh. I don't think villain is calling c/r turn with Ax very often.

A4s is definitely a hand villain could turn over.

I'm check/calling on river to induce a bluff from missed flush drawls. And I'm moving onto the next hand if villain turns over A4. That's just poker.

Shove, I don't think he's bluffing that river very often, I think he's pretty strong here you just have to hope you're not beat, but I think you're ahead a lot of the time

What exactly is he ahead of?

We don't know villain, but hero only has a 1/2 pot bet left. If villain did call the turn raise with Ax he'll certainly call it off with this sizing otr.

I don't think Villain is calling c/r on turn with Ax. I guess that's where we disagree.

The only hand that takes this line and beats us is A4. AQ could have taken this line too. There's more combos of AQ than A4 to get value from and if you throw in any combos of AJ I think it's a shove. Especially with the way spr is set up.

AQ most likely 3bets pf.

I think you're beat or Villain folds if you shove river. To me, that makes this a bad play.

I'm checking to induce a bluff. Won't happen all the time, but I think it will enough to make this the correct play.

So V only has 6 combos of A4 or a missed draw. If V is folding an A here he's certainly competent enough to realize he's getting terrible pot odds and implied odds to call a check raise with a draw ott. We can shove for value from an A on the river.

Villain is getting > 2/1 on the turn with 12 outs to the nuts. And hero and villain would both have 50 bb left in a 100 bb pot.

I'm not giving him the 1 combo of KJhh

Really? But you'll give him AQ?

You are rarely beat here. There's 1 combo of 44 that is discounted because of just calling on flop/turn and 1 combo of A4s that is also discounted because it's not a standard flat preflop and sometimes will get raised on flop/turn. QQ (3 combos) is possible but gets 3b fairly often. AQ is not a standard 3b given positions, but even if villain 3b AQ 50% of the time that's still 4.5 combos.

The river is a really good card for you because draws brick, it discounts the most plausible set combo, and it makes all AJ- the same. Easy shove. If he's thinking he probably won't bluff shove KhJh or KhTh if you check to him anyway because they beat your semibluffs.

Shove :-)

X/c is negative freeroll. We can't fold river, so we lose the rest of our stack when he has us beat anyway. Might as well shove our self so we get value from his strong second best hands that he is checking back.

I still don't understand this logic. What hands would Villain have that he'd call the c/r on the turn and then call a shove on the river?

Obviously weren't folding.

I'm checking river and snap calling. Villain either shows A4 or a missed flushed draw.

results for those interested: i shoved and villain folded...

Our line is so strong why would villain bluff a flush draw? Especially when he blocks the most likely bluffs. Better to shove and let him make mistakes with his made hands that we beat (which are many more than beat us).

Thanks for sharing.

As expected, IMO. Villain either calls and you're beat or he folds a missed draw.

We need to hand read. Villain is most likely on a missed draw or A4. Knowing that, the best play is to check in hopes he'll bet.

Its bizarre that anybody is bothering to mention possibility of being beat here imo.

Also, # of 1 pair type hands >>>>>>>> # of busted draws here so shove.