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Can I fold AA here? Can I fold AA here?

03-22-2017 , 11:24 AM
50 Nl
Folds to Cut off who opens to 1.50$
Folds to me on the Button who raises to 4.50$ with AA
Cut off Calls

Flop:
Pot: 9.75$
35J
Checks to me and I bet 3.50$
Villain raises to 12$, I call

Turn:
Pot: 33.75$
9
Villain rips it for 30$
I call it off and see JJ

River: Blank

Should I find a hero fold when the board is so dry?
03-22-2017 , 11:41 AM
It's especially hard to fold since it's DBvsCO 3bet pot, so he could think you're weak and try to make some moves on later streets or even value raise KJ+,QQ. So it's unfortunate but fine as played.
03-22-2017 , 12:20 PM
It's a 3-bet pot, you shouldn't fold hands like this in these spots, call the flop and the turn, you played it well.
but if you're facing a 40/5 player with 1 AF, you can fold it OTF.

Remember that the reasoning for this is that we're in a 3-bet pot, villain can be valuebetting worse. Now on single raised pots you can fold OTF vs passive players, vs aggro ones then it's tough to know, specially when they're repping such a narrow range OTF, I'm more inclined to flat the flop and fold OTT, if they're maniacs, never folding.
03-22-2017 , 01:56 PM
Hey Ocofailm,

Well clearly in theory this is a super obvious call. You really have the best hand you could ever have in your range at this point aside from pocket jacks. So if you fold here you're basically folding every time your opponent makes this play allowing him to Bluff you way too easily and profitably.

If you know your villain really well and he is a passive fish or an ABC player that never makes big moves, I think it is possible to make a very good, yet very exploitable, fold since there are basically no draws he could be semi-bluffing with on the flop. But without those types of reads or history there really isn't any other way to play it then the way you did.

By the way please avoid showing results in the future it causes advice to be biased.
03-22-2017 , 02:41 PM
Agree with everyone else.

It's a fold if you have a ton of information on your player, think its a snap call OTT in terms of theory, just an unfortunate spot.
03-22-2017 , 04:06 PM
You did everything right. Gotta chock this one up to sh*t happens. People will set mine and hit every now and then. While you may have lost this one, play this same situation out over and over and you'll crush people showing up with hands like QQ, AJ, and the ******s with KJ or QJ. KK and AK would have 4bet you I would hope in which you'd crush them.
03-22-2017 , 04:30 PM
Seems like an easy fold otf. There are no draws. People don't c/r AJ and we have AA so he never has AJ. idk how you get stacked here.
03-22-2017 , 04:46 PM
I'm 100% with isolated on this after thinking it over a while. He simply doesn't have enough bluff combos here unless he's randomizing his strategy with robotic precision. If he does have bluffs here, he's generally going to bluff way to frequently and HE is the one who will be playing exploitably.
03-22-2017 , 04:52 PM
I was trolling. This is an incredibly easy stack off. The spr is 4.5, this is the absolute best hand we will have in this spot aside from JJ, and he can easily have KK/QQ as often as he has JJ/55/33. If we count combos he's going to have KK/QQ more often and that's taking into account 1) he's not always going to flat those hands pre, 2) he's not always going to open 33/55 and 3) he's not always going to flat 33/55 to a 3-bet.
03-22-2017 , 04:57 PM
I would never take villains line with QQ or KK personally. You only get called by better and miss value from hands you do beat. The only bluff hand I might take this line with is KQd and that has a ton of equity on the turn.

Last edited by taxman1; 03-22-2017 at 05:12 PM.
03-22-2017 , 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
I was trolling. This is an incredibly easy stack off. The spr is 4.5, this is the absolute best hand we will have in this spot aside from JJ, and he can easily have KK/QQ as often as he has JJ/55/33. If we count combos he's going to have KK/QQ more often and that's taking into account 1) he's not always going to flat those hands pre, 2) he's not always going to open 33/55 and 3) he's not always going to flat 33/55 to a 3-bet.
My thinking for folding is A) What hands does he have that he plays this aggressively, and B) I'm playing on ACR where everyone is a Nit on steroids
My thinking for calling is A) I'm an aggressive player, B) Theoretically i'm top of my range, C) it's unlikely he plays kings or Queens this way and D) i'm calling 30 to win a pot of 100$ and it's tough to fold when getting 3.3:1
03-23-2017 , 05:49 AM
feel bored, sorry you lost this, next hand....
03-26-2017 , 07:04 AM
If you're folding AA on a J53 board on the flop I'm sorry you're either a super tight player or don't have enough experience building ranges.

The only argument to folding is on the turn, and I still think that's optimistic. Players go nuts with one pair sometimes, and like isolated said earlier, we beat a lot of the value hand combinations. Your villain doesn't necessarily need a lot of bluffs but instead enough worse value hands to call off, in which in the driest of dry boards, he does.
04-03-2017 , 04:53 PM
3 bet the flop, fold to a shove if hes stupid enough to shove.
04-03-2017 , 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fscomeau
3 bet the flop, fold to a shove if hes stupid enough to shove.
If we min3-bet and he shoves, we have to call $21.50 to win $72.25 yet you think you can call someone "stupid". You're awful at poker.
04-04-2017 , 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
If we min3-bet and he shoves, we have to call $21.50 to win $72.25 yet you think you can call someone "stupid". You're awful at poker.
Lmao. I tried to warn him. The crusher making $60/hr over 4000 hours wouldn't take my advice though.
04-06-2017 , 01:06 AM
This is 6 max sorry. This is fold in if its a nitty reg. It is a bet fold unless you have reads that in 6 max he raises top pair. He wont have any draws here its a set over pair and thats about it. hes not caling with 64s op to 3b. He could have maybe 67s. I could see an argument to hero call if its more middling cards like K89 board where he can have more draw hands TJ, QT, 67 and maybe a suited flop then it brings in a lot more combos. But on a rainwbow in 6 max and a nitty reg raises I would just let it go. If hes more aggro more recreational type can't fault you for stacking off here.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ocofailm
50 Nl
Folds to Cut off who opens to 1.50$
Folds to me on the Button who raises to 4.50$ with AA
Cut off Calls

Flop:
Pot: 9.75$
35J
Checks to me and I bet 3.50$
Villain raises to 12$, I call

Turn:
Pot: 33.75$
9
Villain rips it for 30$
I call it off and see JJ

River: Blank

Should I find a hero fold when the board is so dry?

      
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