Originally Posted by ThaKingOnerz
What are you trying to fold out?
Specifically what hand takes this line that is checking the river to fold to a bet?
So preflop blind on blind he obviously has a wide range, I definitely like a 3bet here with AJo in position, folding to a 4bet or flatting if you think V is capable of 4betting light SB v BB. I personally don't like flatting a hand like this preflop as it makes it hard to play almost any situation post flop as V should really be raising any two cards in an unopened pot.
Decent flop for our hand, but this is why I would elect to 3 bet pre. He can have any piece of this board or none at all and we have no idea. He can have pairs, two pairs, weird two pairs and all sets. He CAN have draws but its less likely as we have blockers to AT, JT, J9 and the nut flush draw. He also has all air that cbets this flop as he may think you're 3betting any strong K or Q preflop. When V bets we can never fold obviously, we have a gutshot to the nuts and the backdoor nutflush draw. Flatting here is ok if we have a plan on bad run outs for our hand. Are we going to check fold all bad turns? Again I would be more aggressive on the flop as it narrows V's range (he probably folds like 95% of his air unless he wants to bluff certain runouts), gives us more options on bad run outs and we have a chance to just take down the pot right here. IMO, decent equity but little/no showdown value is probably the perfect time to bluff raise. If we raise here to around 6 dollars and V calls, we can barrel all club turns because we're blocking the nuts. He would have to fold JT and all Queens really if that were to happen. We can check back bad turns for our hand or if we pick up showdown value on the turn as we have position (any Ace or Jack really). Definitely think a flop raise is good here only downside is we kind of have to fold to a flop 3 bet or 4 bet jam depending on his sizing.
Turn comes 9c, which completes both JT and the flush. Decent enough card for our hand, we've picked up the nutflush draw with one to come. When V bets 2/3 pot on this turn he's pretty much saying he has a straight or better. A strong queen is too weak to value bet this turn and too strong to turn into a bluff outright. He can also have a lot of semi bluffs with any KcX hand. They probably aren't betting 2 pair here for value unless its with the Kc. As played I don't like raising the turn as we've picked up so much equity and it would suck to face a 3bet jam, though it does have merit as we probably force him to fold pairs and backdoor flush draws. Folding seems horrible when we float the flop and turn the nut flush draw. As played I think flatting is the best option, folding to a bet on all rivers that are bricks.
River comes 8d, brick city. Changes nothing except makes Q8 possible 2 pair I guess? That doesn't really change much anyway. V checks and personally unless you think he's got more weak showdown value you can make him fold than anything else I would just check behind knowing you're probably dead. What missed draws can he have here? JcX that picked up a gut shot and the flush draw on the turn and decided to bet. With this line that's really the only hand we're beating that makes sense. Even then he would probably fire off that last bluff hoping to fold out pairs, two pairs and even sets (of which we don't have very many of any as we didn't 3 bet pre). When Villain checks it's obvious that he has a hand better than Ace high, the question is, what can we make him fold out with a bet on the river. I'm going to start off by saying if you're going to bluff here, do it a lot smaller or a lot bigger. If he's folding to 15 into 17, he'll probably fold to 11. You've just saved yourself 4 dollars. Like I said on the turn, he probably has a straight or better and is checking to bluff catch or is happy with you checking back when he has a straight or weak flush. As played V can have all 2 pairs and sets except for 8s realistically, but what of that does he fold? The way villain has played this hand I don't really see him checking the river to fold to a bet, pretty much all of his range is check calling you here. Weak pairs check the turn, strong two pairs and sets maybe bet and check the river if called, straight bets the turn for value and clearly all flushes do too. Maybe I'm wrong and he heroed you with a Queen but I would be surprised for V to show up with anything less than K9 here. Also if you are trying to fold out hands like K9, betting this big doesn't look like a flush trying to get called, it looks like you're trying to make him fold. He may actually fold 2 pair to a smaller bet as it looks so much more like a flush wanting to be called. As played I just give up and check back. Also sometimes win against random 56 he double barreled and gave up on the river.
TL;DR, V shows too much strength betting the turn to give up bluffing him out of the pot on the river.
Can I know what V called with?