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Old 06-13-2012, 06:19 PM   #1
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BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

sorry for this being a 50nl hand just dont think the advice i would get in uNL would be all that great!

villian is an aggressive winning regular, no reads on him other than that however

im not so sure what exactly is the best line here BvB on this flop, im gonna get floated and maybe double floated alot so i opt to check/call to allow him to bluff with worse hands. im not sure tho if thats the optimal play here as he might barrel the crap out of me alot if i do that??

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    BTN: $18.25 (36.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): $79.09 (158.2 bb)
    BB: $57.41 (114.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 A
    BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($3) 3 5 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

    Turn: ($7) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

    River: ($17.50) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $8.75, Hero raises to $23




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    also looking for thoughts on river play, pretty unlikely he has a jack considering all the air in his range on the flop and turn. good spot for check/raise bluff? i think i can credibly rep AJ here and even though its a small part of my range its a pretty unlikely spot for me to bluff
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    Old 06-13-2012, 06:53 PM   #2
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    Why not just call?
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    Old 06-13-2012, 06:57 PM   #3
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

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    Why not just call?
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    Old 06-13-2012, 07:01 PM   #4
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

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    Why not just call?
    fair point but he could be value betting a hand like 88 or 99 here sometimes right?? or is his range more polarized than this? again i know we are readless but versus your average regular
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    Old 06-13-2012, 07:08 PM   #5
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    with AJ (KJ) many players will play turn other way: bet or c/r
    so i think vil calls your river c/r with any hand that beat Ace-hi and fold if he worse.

    i just call river
    and what about c/r on turn?
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    Old 06-14-2012, 12:23 AM   #6
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    I don't think it's bad because you check/call twice.

    You are representing a super narrow range something like 3333 or 55533.

    It's kind of creative so I like it.

    I'd be more interested if the villain can actually make the call with hands other than boat.

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    Old 06-14-2012, 01:35 AM   #7
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    Seems unregular to me. And actually, I wouldn't play it this way. Either I'd fold river or x/r turn. However, I don't know how much respect turn x/r's get nowadays. Don't think the river x/r is any good, because:
    a) You don't really fold out too much by raising here. I expect a 20% FE.
    b) You don't really rep much by x/r'ing here. IMO, the more credible line would be to overbet than to x/r.
    c) It's generally a bad idea to bluff when villain has lots of stuff to call with.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 03:11 AM   #8
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    I don't think it's a good spot to call, When we call the turn we're going to have A high or better a lot and then villain milkbet river? Looks a lot like thin value to me.

    I like the check/raise I think, you don't rep much but you don't rep many bluffs either.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 09:05 AM   #9
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    thanks for opinions all

    results are he folded after having abit of a think about it so seems likely he folded some type of mid pair he was valuebetting thinly!!
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    Old 06-14-2012, 09:10 AM   #10
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

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    thanks for opinions all

    results are he folded after having abit of a think about it so seems likely he folded some type of mid pair he was valuebetting thinly!!
    That's what I thought but I'd CR to $28 for added FE on river.

    Nice play!!
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    Old 06-14-2012, 09:16 AM   #11
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    thanks man

    im still interested in your guys standard flop line here, are you double barreling flop and turn or taking some kind of check/call line as i did which can get pretty messy should villian opt to 3 barrel like he did here

    if this jack on the turn isnt a diamond is it alright to still check/call here? seems like we are gonna be in some crazy river spots in guessing mode
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    Old 06-14-2012, 09:48 AM   #12
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

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    thanks man

    im still interested in your guys standard flop line here, are you double barreling flop and turn or taking some kind of check/call line as i did which can get pretty messy should villian opt to 3 barrel like he did here

    if this jack on the turn isnt a diamond is it alright to still check/call here? seems like we are gonna be in some crazy river spots in guessing mode
    I think CR on flop is OK. CR on turn is FOS line. I'd call that with A5o. That's why I like your check/call check/call line. And when you CR river I think that's pretty scary enough for anyone if your image is good.

    I'd be scared with any PP not touching the board.

    If it was me I'd just cbet once on flop and give up or just check/fold flop. I wouldn't give much thought into it but that's just me, I don't bluff oop much.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 11:14 AM   #13
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    i'd prefer c/raise flop with a weaker hand (a hand which has less equity vs villains perceived flat calling range pre) i think Ah is good a decent amount of the time, so don't really like c/raise as we don't get calls from worse and don't fold out much better.

    as played i'd just got ahead and cbet flop (assuming villain's postflop tendencies are on the tag/nitty side, vs the more aggressive players i quite like your flop/turn line) and re-evaluate on the turn. for the most part i'd be considering betting any non K/J/Q/10 on the turn (cards that connect with villains range)
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    Old 06-14-2012, 09:39 PM   #14
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    Re: BvB battle-looking for thoughts on line and river checkraise

    Might work at NL100 although any competent reg should call u w anything he valuebetted river, especially w his sizing.
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