Not a whole lot of reads but i remember villian being somewhat aggro PF. But not too loose , had reggish stats

What is your line on the flop?


Hero (BTN): $280.82
SB: $193.60 (VPIP

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00, UTG posts penalty blind $3.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has A K

UTG checks, fold, CO raises to $8.00, Hero raises to $27.00, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $19.00

Flop: ($60.00, 2 players) 8 Q 4
CO checks, Hero ...

I think it can go either since your ranges are even but he has a bit more TPs than you but I would personally check back

If he doesn't know how much he needs to call then you can also cbet 100% of your range for 50%ish~

this seems like a clear bet to me. If I had AKo I would be betting here so i dont see why i wouldn't be betting with AKs that misses the backdoor

I don't know what ur c-bet after 3-bet % is but i cant imagine any reasonable % in which this board isnt in your continuation range. I would say this board is in your top 20%-30% of missed boards to c-bet.

It would be cool if u made this one of those threads where everyone says their opinion and then you say what u did and then have us all debate your next decision

If CO is aggro preflop he could be attacking the extra $ from penalty blind as well. Some people go ape**** with extra $ in the pot.

I agree with Ivr it's a close decision.

bet sometimes, check sometimes

good hand to 3barrel

Why do you think it's a good hand to 3 barrel? Personally I disagree.

Cbet smaller so if we do decide to triple we can make adjustments on the turn to either GII with a beefy or dinky river bet but yeah cbetting vs most villains unless I have a reason not to (like villain check raises 80% flop or something)

Just guessing his reasons but probably bc no sdv by the river blocks AQ/KQ.

I'd go triple because of the blockers that just_grindin mentioned.

+ blocks slowplayed AA,KK

Yea thought about mentioning that but thought that might not occur a significant amount ot the time.

x/f w/ AKdd, worst combo to cbet

Check for me.
CO vs BTN typical 3-bet calling hands are AQ KQs. Even TJs has hit this flop.
Medium PP's won't fold for one bet. Realizing equity should be fine against those hands?
With BFD I start to consider betting.
Checking down AK-high might work sometimes, but that wouldn't be my default expectation.

You 3-bet pre. Your in position. his range consists of a ton of pocket pairs, a bunch of higher suited connectors, as well as AK, AJs, and yes, it does include AQ, QQ and KQs although your blocking like 1/3 of the combos. You 3-bet pre and the board is both dry but contains one high card. I'm happy about this flop and c-betting 100% without much second thought. You can eliminate sooo much of his range right now worrying about AQ and KQ at this point seems foolish. If you get called you might be drawing to 6-outs and can easily check behind on the turn. Folding out smaller pairs is clearly important, as well as folding out hands with bad equity against your entire range but strong equity against your actual hand. I strongly believe this is a c-bet.

Two interesting questions:

1) Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has A K

UTG checks, fold, CO raises to $8.00, Hero raises to $27.00, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $19.00

Flop: ($60.00, 2 players) 8 Q 4
CO checks, Bets $30, Co calls

Turn: A
Hero....????



2) Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has A K

UTG checks, fold, CO raises to $8.00, Hero raises to $27.00, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $19.00

Flop: ($60.00, 2 players) 8 Q 4
CO checks, Bets $30, Co calls

Turn: A (Pot $120)
Co donks $60, Hero calls

River 2 Pot ($180)

CO bets $120 all in
hero....???

can you find a fold here?

Betting once seems pretty bad, you're pretty much just folding out what you beat.

I agree with this, I think there is merits in folding out some of those hands because they can bet turn and we will fold a lot. But I think for the most part if he folds the flop we prob had him beat. He calls at least once with 99-JJ

If you check you hand the keys to the bank to Villain. Hes going to bet his ace highs and strong hands and check his pocket pairs. You give up almost all your equity in this spot and if he is any good will make sure u can't make some hero call profitably.

If you bet you get almost all his pocket pairs to fold. I don't think 99-JJ are going to call 100% of the time because you don't 3-bet with 88-TT. Folding 99-JJ would depend on villain and his mood, but i think u can count on them folding a good % of the time against any low stakes meta.

Might as well bet yourself. If you were out of position i think this could be close, but in position u gotta c-bet so u cant get bluffed by hands that beat you and u get a whole bunch of better hands to fold. Plus you get the free turn card. Ace high is bottom of your range here. Bet!!!!

Also someone please give some love to the two question i posted at the end of page one

Yeah, it depends if villain is folding a ridiculously exploitable amount on the flop, or not.

ehhh I highly doubt he ever folds 99-JJ to one bet

I'm still on page 1 get with the program switch to 100 posts per page much easier.

Anyways I think you are right about Q1 I would check back that turn and most likely calling rivers

Q2 tough spot I probably pay him off but not happy about it.

Seems odd to x back such a great 2 barrel card in Q1.

In relation to my question 1 on page one (for all those who have no idea what i'm talking about)

The reason i like a check back in Q1 is because i think his range is pretty polarized if he calls a turn bet to either weak hands like 99-JJ or KQ that will fold on the river if u barrel both turn and river (none of these hands are calling three barrels) or hands like AQ or QQ that you will give an extra 1-2 streets of value too if you bet turn and your behind. I cant honestly think of a single hand that you beat that gives u three streets of value here.

But generally i think its a huge mistake to bluff c-bet flop and then hit TPTK and check (although i see a lot of people do it) but in this spot based on his stronger than normal range here i think we really should be just checking. Checking also induces an a bluff on the river out of some hands that might fold to a 2nd barrel which is an added bonus and its not likley that any river cards are going to improve him to beating us. It also guarantees us a showdown with a controlled pot (doens't let us get check raised by a flush draw and have the pot stolen on the river)

I think the card hits our range so hard that any competent villian is snap folding that turn and if we get called we will be crushed pretty often, so i elect for pot control/induce as the best way to get one more streets of value

But are we getting called very often? Sure when we get called we are behind a lot, but if we rarely get called and still have some equity even when we're called, then how are we not betting this turn given how often we win the pot and can still win some at showdown when we're called?