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AKs 4b pot flop line? AKs 4b pot flop line?

04-22-2014 , 01:15 PM
happy 3bettor reg, 18% in the sb. folded to 1/3 4bets. no real reads.

    [hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26090911

    BTN: $121.64 (243.3 bb)
    SB: $69.29 (138.6 bb)
    BB: $25 (50 bb)
    UTG: $50 (100 bb)
    MP: $21.87 (43.7 bb)
    Hero (CO): $52.61 (105.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
    UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, BTN folds, SB raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14.50, SB calls $7.50

    Flop: ($30) J 3 T (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($30) 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $54.79
    04-22-2014 , 04:18 PM
    Flat the 3-bet pre. As played fold turn.

    I'm not c-betting this flop.

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    04-22-2014 , 04:20 PM
    4bet is fine, fold turn
    04-22-2014 , 05:15 PM
    You have position so flatting pre is fine, but if you want to 4bet I think you need to go bigger, just giving him odds to call. make it 17 -19. but only 4 bet that big if your ok with calling a ship which I would in this spot.
    04-22-2014 , 05:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BertMcgert
    4bet is fine, fold turn
    Yea 4-bet is fine but with position and a great hand I don't mind flatting and keeping worse As in.

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    04-22-2014 , 06:21 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djanney
    if you want to 4bet I think you need to go bigger, just giving him odds to call. make it 17 -19. but only 4 bet that big if your ok with calling a ship which I would in this spot.
    Making it 17-19 is commiting over a third of our stack, it's unbalanced because we can't really fold anything at that point.

    Sizing is fine with position.
    04-23-2014 , 08:18 AM
    I think you should go ahead and bet flop, the 3s being pretty key here. I don't want to be checking too much in these spots with AK particularly vs potentially smart/aggro regs.

    Fold now, i mean i have no idea if you think you can actually continue here but there's clearly no way you can.
    04-23-2014 , 08:23 AM
    this is a standard and an easy 4bet, flatting with AK against 18% 3bet is a bad play. i would cbet that flop small considering we have 2 overs and gutshot nut draw. when u check he knows u have nothing and it s too easy for him to shove the turn with anything.
    04-23-2014 , 09:23 AM
    ^what if v check shoves AQ KQs 89s etc
    04-23-2014 , 09:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by monkey1
    ^what if v check shoves AQ KQs 89s etc
    You think we'll never sometimes have a hand ourselves in this spot?
    04-23-2014 , 09:34 AM
    im saying i think bet folding would be bad if villain can shove worse
    04-23-2014 , 09:43 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HeyOver
    this is a standard and an easy 4bet, flatting with AK against 18% 3bet is a bad play. i would cbet that flop small considering we have 2 overs and gutshot nut draw. when u check he knows u have nothing and it s too easy for him to shove the turn with anything.
    His 3-betting frequency is only part of the picture. How villain responds to 4-bets is much more important in my opinion as to whether calling or flatting AK in position shows a higher expected value.

    Personally I think you could choose whichever one you like in this scenario, especially with AKs. AKo is probably better as a 4bet.

    As far as betting the flop what are you hoping to accomplish? What hands are you expecting to fold that flat a 4bet? How do expect to fold a hand that called a flop bet at any later point in the hand with our SPR on this flop?



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    04-23-2014 , 03:25 PM
    Hand seems fine if you fold turn.
    04-24-2014 , 03:38 PM
    Shove flop.
    04-24-2014 , 06:14 PM
    I like your line pre and on the flop.

    Pre: You have AKs from the cutoff, seems pretty standard in your position. Flatting is good if the guy is SUPER nitty or vs. a reg that 3bets a lot and you think will fold to a lot of 4b.

    Flop: There aren't many hands in villain's range that give up on this flop. Also, a lot of them check shove. You have the nut gutter and can continue to river on any turn A or K.

    Turn: Fold.
    04-25-2014 , 08:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by the real mg0698
    Hand seems fine if you fold turn.
    +1

          
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