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Old 06-13-2012, 10:30 AM   #1
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AK vs river c/r from good reg

Villain is Kysus, a good agressive reg
I have him running at 24/18, 1.3k hands
cbet 80%
62% ft3b
agg 3.6

Can't think of any notable history since I don't have any notes on him.
I know he c/raises river in certain spots for value as a PFR, but this spot was different.

We're 170bb deep fwiw

any more info you need?

I decided to flat pre in order to keep the fish in the hand
I think he (should) cbet all his valuehands?
Turn I hit toptop, seems like a trivial flat.
River he checks, I valuebet and he c/raises?

I was kinda lost, thinking he cbets all his valuehands.
Could only think of A6 for value, and I think he presumes I'll b/f Ax on the river but I'm not certain if I can make that assumption.

He pbb views me as a 26/20 7% 3b or something like that.

What to do?

Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BTN): $173.03
SB: $121.50
BB: $53.97
UTG: $392.82
MP: $133.78
CO: $221.68

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with A K
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $3.38, Hero calls $3.38, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.38

Flop: ($11.64) T 5 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($11.64) A (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50, UTG folds

River: ($28.64) 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $19.40, CO raises to $68.50

??

I feel like I'm pretty much at the top of my range.

shoot

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Old 06-13-2012, 02:23 PM   #2
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

I think I would Cbet a 6 on this board as the board is dry, but I know some people would check back the small amount of showdown value and not turn it into a bluff. He could also be checking back sets knowing that he isn't likely to be called on this flop, especially if he has top set.

The turn is a obv spot to bet if he has a set as it hits both of your ranges, plus it looks bluffy betting the Ace, plus he is getting value from flush draws. Conversely he could have picked up the flush draw/straight draw.

If he knows you capable of value betting thin the check raise is a good move with a set as you either have a busted draw, which might bluff or top pair which will value bet the hand a lot.

Strange spot to bluff. Fair to say he is polarised. I need to add the river checkraise into my game more as it confuses the hell out of me.

I'd fold but i'm really not sure, hope this helped a bit!
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:00 PM   #3
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

I feel like his most likely hand is the same hand, AK.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:09 PM   #4
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

You can probably shove since you're like 100% vs his range.

He can have AQ/AK for value and never has better unless he's retarded checking a set or something on the flop
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:29 PM   #5
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

Seems very unlikely he shows up with a 6 or a set here given his stats and player description. Plus if he is good he prolly knows your range is capped here at 2 pair with the board and he could be making a move.

i would look him up.
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:16 PM   #6
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

3b pre $10.50.

A set only makes sense if he expects you to be betting this flop IP quite a lot. Depending on how aggro you are I'd add more or less combos of sets/56s. A6s should also be included.

I think he hardly does this as a bluff. He is a good handreader and knows that his line is FOS. If he thinks you are a good hand reader this is always AQ or better. If you are known for laying down big hands against river aggression I'd definately consider looking him up here as he could be doing this with many many combos of draws.

Basically too image dependant to give an standard correct answer IMO.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:19 PM   #7
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

Yea I stab + barrel a lot vs weakness and he pbb knows this but I still think he should cbet with sets etc bc of the fish.
I figured A6 is in his range, as well as AK but I think he might size it smaller w/ AK if he wants to get semi-thin value.
I pbb stab any possible turned draws at the flop (QJdd, 89dd etc) but I don't think he knows this.

I think he views me as an agressive reg who stabs quite a lot, and can read hands quite well. But folding seems so ****ing exploitabe plus he might decide to c/f missed draws and decide last-minute to turn it into a bluff, knowing I'm folding most of my range since I never have a boat or something.

Anyway, this spot sucks and doesn't happen that often but I wanted a check-up if my call is really bad or that the general opinion was between both options. I think jamming is never an option.

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Old 06-13-2012, 06:51 PM   #8
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

Don't shove as nothing worse calls. But yeah I'm snapping this and expecting to see a missed flush draw or straight draw most of the time.
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

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I think he presumes I'll b/f Ax on the river but I'm not certain if I can make that assumption.
betting all Ax on the river vs a good reg is pretty bad btw(i see this mistake all the time)
you never get called by worse but c/red a bunch by a pretty balanced range of AQ/AK/A6 a few set combos and air(villain will rarely bet the river with it given that you have Ax so often so c/r is a lot better)

I probably would bet/call AK, bet/fold AQ
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:22 PM   #10
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

hard to see him isolating limper with any 6 apart from A6s

confusing spot but id probably look him up
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

I'd fold because he knows I'm gonna look him up.

You didn't 3bet him preflop so he can have a fair number of boat combination.
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

No names please.
I think, against this opp this is a pretty easy stack-off pre, since he plays so robotic, and actually is not good at all.

Edit: Sorry, you are deep. But still: would 3bet and IME it's profitable.
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

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You can probably shove since you're like 100% vs his range.

He can have AQ/AK for value and never has better unless he's retarded checking a set or something on the flop
[ ] shove repps smth

if you say he's capped, hero is obv capped as well. why would you ever want to shove with TPTK against a polarised range when you rep no value hands whatsoever? i'm calling the river with almost top of my range and him repping almost nothing.

and 3b pre!
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:05 AM   #14
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

Well, if this guy really is that balanced in these spots, ist doesn't matter what u do.
But i think it's fair to assume he isn't that balanced at NL100. Going by ur average reg this would be an easy fold imo. Very common to see ppl check flop w midpair not knowing what to get value from, then bet the ace, bc oh well i'm the pfr, gotta bet the ace..
Turned combo draws are way more likely to cbet the flop and who knows if he doesn't just insta c/f when missed and u obv have tp.
Would certainly be an advanced Play to turn weak Ax into a c/r river bluff, then again vs most guys not all that likely.
So i'm b/fing AK here vs most. They can easily have 6s in their range (so could we i guess) but i don't see ****ing on capped ranges and bluffing ppl off tp kind hands all that often at nl100 (rightfully so i guess).
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:11 AM   #15
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Re: AK vs river c/r from good reg

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No names please.
I think, against this opp this is a pretty easy stack-off pre, since he plays so robotic, and actually is not good at all.

Edit: Sorry, you are deep. But still: would 3bet and IME it's profitable.
I normally don't post names but figured it might contribute something to the thread since most regs pbb know him and have a certain view of him.

He's one of the few regs who actually tries to play back at me instead of auto-piloting like most of the regs do so I give him a bit more credit for creative plays.

Yea, I could 3bet pre but I saw more value in playing a 3way pot IP with a fish in the hand instead of just 3betting pre and take it down there.

He pbb has some 6x in his iso range like 67s, K6s etc but I don't think he bets the turn with these hands? Since the 6d is already on the board. I think he stabs the flop more often with these type of hands than the turn.
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