PokerStars - $20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

PLR_2275289SZ (BTN): $1,987.00 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (SB): $1,980.00
PLR_3940403TI (BB): $2,507.00 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
PLR_5167164XS (UTG): $3,518.00 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
PLR_8234669RL (CO): $1,897.00 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

Hero posts SB $10.00, PLR_3940403TI posts BB $20.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $30.00) Hero has K A

fold, fold, PLR_2275289SZ raises to $40.00, Hero raises to $180.00, PLR_3940403TI calls $160.00, PLR_2275289SZ calls $140.00

Flop: ($540.00, 3 players) 6 K T
Hero checks, PLR_3940403TI bets $220.00, fold, Hero calls $220.00

Turn: ($980.00, 2 players) T
Hero bets $300.00, PLR_3940403TI calls $300.00

River: ($1,580.00, 2 players) J
Hero checks


got some decent discussion going in a recent thread, thought I would post another one and keep it up if there's interest.

usually check my entire range there vs. the cc'er where his range would be v narrow pre and TT is a decent % of it.

thought the turn was a cool lead spot where we rep this card pretty well and he never has it in his range. he's not folding his AQ against this size.

river seems std.

thoughts on flop and turn play? do we xf to a river shove?

I guess I just don't understand your line. You hit TPTK and check the flop. Then, you call a small bet and you make another small bet on the turn. And then you give him a chance to check behind on the river.

Terribly played IMHO. I'd bet every street there

Hmm well I listed my reasons in OP for I did, although I can see a more "standard" approach being good too. You think river is a value shove? What worse do we get paid by?

You overcomplicate things at too low stakes.

You get a good hand, you bet. TPTK is not that great man.

Dude, stop posting in small stakes NL. Go post in micro stakes NL. Your advice is not applicable and far below optimal in any of these threads. And your attitude is not appropriate, given that all the players here are far better than you are.

Would just start with a ~40% bet on the flop. We have a range advantage in this spot, and we want to be bluffing AJ/AQ with backdoor flush draws. Ofc QJs as well. I'm also sure people would put a non-zero % frequency AQ/AJ in our flop c-betting range, whether we do it or not.

I don't think you should be checking entire range OTF. You're missing too much value, and we have a good amount of candidates we want to be bluffing with. We should really never be checking our entire range unless we are at a massive range disadvantage. When we have a range advantage here, we should be betting more of our range.

Once you call the flop, we shouldn't really have a turn leading range. Not sure why you want to develop one. River AP is just a x/f

I like the flop check a flop as it smashes Bb' s range. If we continue with many Tx on the flop (which is reasonable vs.that size), then lead turn small with whole range looks like sth solvers would suggest

Good advice

Not sure that we have big range advantage otf vs cold caller since we 3ber from sb pretty wide, so I thing flop play is ok. Turn is good obv. J is a terrible card otr, so c/f is fine I guess.

Yeah I can definitely get behind 40% cbet otf. Not sure we have quite as big a range adv. as you suggest though MW? I guess when holding tp on such a dry board BTN is largely irrelevant to the overall equity picture. But we also have a couple stronger hands than AK that we can also put in the c-betting range, so I would think AKo is at least a mix otf in theory. Then again theory shouldn't matter much here.

Why shouldn't we? This is the biggest equity shifting turn card where we would have QTs JTs T9s T8s pre a decent freq and xc them otf against this size. V can't go for three streets anymore with AK on this turn card. Although allowing him to continue bluffing AQ is certainly a consideration.

All the players make more than $60/hour playing 1/2? Okay.

What range do we give BB cc?

I have something like:

25% AQo
50% 88, JJ, AQs, AKo
100% 99, TT
10% AA

I figure AQo mostly just folds or 4bets pre, and AKs/QQ/KK always 4bets. Not really sure on JJ. I was pretty new to the table so I guess I'm assuming a slightly conservative approach.

Clap clap clap. You are beating the lowest limit offered at casinos where there are terrible regs & a bunch of drunktards/tourists/degens.

And what's your sample size? 20 hrs? Because $60/hr is not sustainable for any decent sample. You probably don't understand variance.

Just compare your posts to everyone else's. Your posts show a very shallow understanding of poker, especially these tougher games online where way more sharks play. And everyone's disagreeing with your posts in the small stakes NL forums for a reason. Do yourself a favor and save face because your advice is terrible, and so is your attitude especially when everyone here is way better than you. Yeah, if you were trying to learn and were asking questions why we play certain ways, I wouldn't mind. But you just join these forums, spout out nonsense advice acting like it's 100% correct & that you're some medium-stakes crusher, and blatantly question other people's advice which happen to be correct and completely standard.

I would have a slightly different strategy here in the BB, but this seems very pretty for the general population. Most are just cold 4-betting AK almost always imo 5-handed vs LP open and SB 3-bet though, which is why I think we have a decent ramge advantage. Overcaller shouldnt have AK very often at all either

I'm not even going to attempt to read that. You win. Happy?

I would assume less flats with 88 and more with JJ and AQ because people have trouble playing them with this action and these positions due to them being near the bottom of a flatting range and close to a 4 bet bluffing candidate. Not sure if 99 is 100% flat either. Otherwise I feel it's pretty solid starting point.

Also not sure about how you're dividing your flop range but it could impact your turn decision which is why I like Minatoar's idea about leading flop.

No. But if you're going to continue posting terrible advice in the small stakes forum thinking you're a crusher and act like a know-it-all to all the regs here who are actively contributing and trying to learn, you're going on the ignore list

No. But if you're going to continue posting terrible advice in the small stakes forum thinking you're a crusher and act like a know-it-all to all the regs here who are actively contributing and trying to learn, you're going on the ignore list.

That's all I have to say.

Sorry for taking up some space, OP. That'll be all.

Should I mail you the medal right away or wait a bit?

Thanks for the suggestions. I revised BB cc range to the following:

10% AA, KQs
25% 88, AKo
50% AQo
75% 99, JJ, AQs

And I input a fairly std SBvBTN 3bet range of 13.5%.





I put 40% and 80% sizes for SB figuring it might be reasonable for SB to use a big flop size to set up a turn shove vs. the capped BB range. Result is a relatively high check freq
and the 40% is the higher freq of the cbet sizes, though both are used.





Facing SB check, BB has a high freq bet, which would be expected.





SB leads range on Tx turn, preferring 40% size over 30%.




...and checks range on river. After checking, AKo is 100% xf, and as far as bluffcatchers we xc all of our AA, most of our KJs, and some of our QJs, QQ, AJo.


So my turn decision seems pretty good and riv is std. The int spot is flop where it looks like we can go either way theoretically, although the sim obv. didn't include BTN's range in the overall picture. Cbet may well be better though, esp. if BB doesn't flat that much AQ pre (he would bluff it prob at least two streets a good amt when checked to here).

Kinda strange finding that the hand that most prefers the big flop cbet size is KTs, this makes no sense to me for blocker reasons. A6s also loves the big size. Also Idk why AA, KK, are similar freq with 80%.

*Note text refers to the pic above it, not below it

RalphWaldoEmerson, I have no idea what you just posted there nor why it's relevant to this conversation.

[ ] surprised to hear that...

OP...what RNG do you use (in order to regulate ur bet freq otf?)

Ok. Could you please refrain from posting itt again?

It was a joke, bro.