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Old 06-25-2012, 11:19 PM   #16
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Re: AA on squeezed 3 way pot facing c/r

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So because the top of our range is strong villain won't bluff or semibluff?

Also hero isn't OOP.

Also KQ6r is a good cbetting board considering that broadways are less likely than medium pair type hands for most people in this spot. So if you 3bet A5 here you wouldn't cbet KQ6r OOP?
"Matthew Janda played poker casually through college where he studied game theory and economics at UCLA. He played almost exclusively 200NL at Full Tilt the last two years, but has recently begun playing exclusively 400NL. Matt emphasizes playing optimally based on theory moreso than other MSNL regulars. This is particularly useful for players in the mid-stakes environment as there are more and more regulars in the games today. Matt hopes his hard work away from the tables will help him accomplish his long term goal of beating 1000NL."

Keyser I wasn't kidding. I think he really is a pro.

But I'd still flat his raise on flop.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:20 PM   #17
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Re: AA on squeezed 3 way pot facing c/r

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So because the top of our range is strong villain won't bluff or semibluff?

Also hero isn't OOP.

Also KQ6r is a good cbetting board considering that broadways are less likely than medium pair type hands for most people in this spot. So if you 3bet A5 here you wouldn't cbet KQ6r OOP?
Going to be the last time I respond to you since you've already admitted you're looking for an e-fight, but since you already asked this I will.

Since your range is strong, it makes it less likely your opponents are going to bluff. You also have a terrible removal effect on this board since you block half his AK combos (the only hand which can potentially be value raising which is worse despite the fact that it shouldn't be) and you block half of his AJ/AT.

You also get almost no boost for randomizing well here. It's not like you have KK and got your CB raised on a 9h 6h 3c board where even though you are behind all his value raises you crush his bluffs. Having AA has no really good redraw (other than the 6) and doesn't really crush his bluffs either which are mainly looking to drill gutters.

In other words, he is probably value raising here too much and bluff raising too little and your bluff-catching randomizer isn't really good/useful so fold.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:30 PM   #18
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"Matthew Janda played poker casually through college where he studied game theory and economics at UCLA. He played almost exclusively 200NL at Full Tilt the last two years, but has recently begun playing exclusively 400NL.
400nl went really well for him



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CR should maybe change that bio.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:34 PM   #19
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400nl went really well for him



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CR should maybe change that bio.
OK so you obviously played against him at FTP in the past.

How was he? If I may be so bold.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:37 PM   #20
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i don't think i've ever played him. not to my knowledge at least.

his posts just irriated me because he's non-responsive to all of my points and he has a dickish attitude. finding out he's just another losing player turned coach was just a nice perk
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i don't think i've ever played him. not to my knowledge at least.

his posts just irriated me because he's non-responsive to all of my points and he has a dickish attitude. finding out he's just another losing player turned coach was just a nice perk
hahahaha this thread just got hilarious, sick 400NL results. How can we even contemplate folding this flop? Our squeezing range should be extraordinarily wide in this situation. Villain being a 23/21/3 with a 10% 3-bet should be 3-betting KQo from the SB against a button open himself most of the time here despite the fact that he hasn't done it in 20 hands . To fold to a single flop raise is borderline retarded on a board that we are always going to be C-betting 100% of our squeezing range.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:47 PM   #22
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Re: AA on squeezed 3 way pot facing c/r

I'm tempted to call because it seemed like you might have induced with your small sizing, but at the same time I don't see him having many hands that he can bluff with that get to the flop this way. He seems to be a standard tag so I don't expect him to be calling the squeeze too wide OOP although he's probably widening his range to all pocket pairs since it's 3 way.

I guess he could have AJ or ATs? Even those will just call the flop a good amount of the time so I think it would be pretty optimistic to put him on a bluff here. Also, his min raise really looks like value and I would expect him to raise bigger with bluffs. Seems like he really wants a call.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:36 PM   #23
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hahahaha this thread just got hilarious, sick 400NL results. How can we even contemplate folding this flop? Our squeezing range should be extraordinarily wide in this situation. Villain being a 23/21/3 with a 10% 3-bet should be 3-betting KQo from the SB against a button open himself most of the time here despite the fact that he hasn't done it in 20 hands . To fold to a single flop raise is borderline retarded on a board that we are always going to be C-betting 100% of our squeezing range.
LOL

I wouldn't go that far but yeah, that's one of the reasons I'd flat CR on flop.

Looking at his CR on flop, would TJs ever flat a 3bet preflop and play this way?

Other than that, the only value range we beat is AK or KJs but why would he CR those hands? Shouldn't he donk for value or check/call to bluff catch? Or do you think he should CR a strong K vs assumed wide range of the squeezer and BTN with some SD possibility on this flop texture?
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:20 AM   #24
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Re: AA on squeezed 3 way pot facing c/r

why would we cbet 100% on this board. to me, that is a monumental leak.

Whats in regulars calling range vs sqz?

broadways

this board for broadways? immense!

bluffing with anything (bar draws) you squeezed with here (for pre flop FE) is just handing them money when they hit the flop so hard
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:24 AM   #25
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Re: AA on squeezed 3 way pot facing c/r

I think there is like 130 combo's in their pf flat range and we have 15% equity vs that range on this board.

also they fold 6 combo's to flop cbet here
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Old 07-01-2012, 05:40 PM   #26
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anyone?
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