wtf it's bovada. balance doesn't matter bet 100% unless you are playing some guy who you know will bluff off all of his chips to you if you check.

How so?

we're never gonna get to the river if we cbet here, pot with be 60-80 by the turn and we will be all in

This.

Against one possibly aggro guy and a (most likely) fish make this a bet IMO. Board isn't completely dry. Aggro might spaz and fish might fish.

Personally I like a bet in this spot. It's not like we have the board locked up with AA on an A22 flop HU vs. a nit. QJ still has 25% of equity vs us here.

The reason I like betting starts with why I don't like the other options.

C/C- Is an awkward line imo. If I'm in villains shoes, and a c-bettor decides to C/C on a board that the preflop 3 bettor could have repped AK on, it sets alarm bells off that they have a good chance at having top set. I'm not going to just keep bluffing into a 3 bet, then C/C if I'm villain. Most likely what happens here is they check back turn, and then what? We lead river? We were willing to 3 bet PF. Only willing to c/c the flop. Now we are leading river? Stupid strong looking line imo, and probably the only way villain is putting another dime in the pot is when he hits his straight (we just gave him 2 streets to hit), which is probably bad news for us.

C/R- Again this is a line probably only going to get 1 street of value out of. Villain is going to be done with his hand unless he has AT, or a set, in which case the money would have went in anyways if we just simply bet.

Bet- To me this is the line that stands the best chance to get multiple streets of value. They can call with worse, they can float, can have a straight draw, and easiest way to get stacks in if they do have a big hand. Also, I like a turn check if it bricks. The whole point of feigning weakness by checking on the flop is to get them to put more money in the pot. But, I think we actually look weaker if we "rep AK", with a c-bet, which they will expect out of a a decent part of our range, then give up on the turn. It's a more believable story that we have an underpair, nothing, or weak ace here imo. And, if an over aggro villain gets checked to on the turn when they hold a GS or OESD they may figure "Hmmm.... I only have a 9%-18% chance to hit my straight on the river, so maybe I can take this decent sized pot away here on the turn", and mash the pot button. Also, if they check back on the turn, I don't think a river lead looks quite as 'nutted' as if we c/c flop, and lead river. Villain may think that we think that he doesn't have an ace because he checked turn, and are now trying to buy the pot, or v-betting thin.

Just look at their call Cbet flop stats. If they don't like folding, bet. If they always fold, check.

imo bet with 1 or more fish involved, check otherwise

Checking some strong hands to not cap our checking range can be ok if its actually necessary, but how often are we even checking this flop? As preflop raiser it seems we would bet almost our entire range on this flop, even into two opponents.

I would start with a small bet hoping to get a spazz out but also because I want to cbet my air and draws small on this flop. Maybe something like 40% pot.

This all makes good sense to me, I wanna change my answer to this^

i'd want to c/c kk here wouldn't you

Yes I actually would like to c/c that exact hand and I probably would in game which is hyper exploitable but I don't know a good way around it without, idk, checking top set in a MW pot.. im not gonna do that, so..

yeah, my guess would be that the GTO answer would be to have a couple monsters in your checking range. That said, I wouldnt do it in practice unless villains are so goid that, at nl100, im leaving the table to find a game where I can go for three streets w the nuts

My hand has focused too much texture.
if he bet flop with some Ax, gutshot or SD or bluff, considering that pot size pot if he bet 1/2 become 46 with villain stack left 36 i jamming
if he check flop turn i try with a small bet...i haven't problem to pot building.

I think this one of those spots where knowing your opponents and your table image is probably the most important information in our decision.

Readless: I think c/c is very suspicious. Unless they are very weak, I really don't think they called your raise without expecting a cbet from you. The question here I think is not whether to bet or not, but how to size it to extract max value.

But what's your table image, have you been raising them light? If so, a slight overbet that seems bluffy might get them to call/shove more than a smaller bet with their bottom set or bluffcatchers.

Are they fishy? 50%-60% pot bet into check on turn will probably get more value from their air and draws.

I don't know, I just feel the best course of action here is 100% dependant on who you are facing and what they think of you.

Preflop sizing should be larger.. either 13 or 14bb is fine. Flop is 100% a cbet. You are OOP, if you check/call there are lots of bad turns and you are playing blind. If you check and they check back you risk giving them free cards.

There shouldn't be need for all this discussion. OOP as PFR this is easily a bet.

they check back WAY too much of their range for a check to be good here.. jesus christ this is basic stuff

Lol @ the gto guys wanting to check for balance against 2 probable fish on a site where the players are anonymous and notes on a player only last for that session.

Top set is generally going to get checked a lot by decent players even if they're not trying to be balanced at all. It's not just about your checking range, it's also about blocking a huge chunk of the hands that would call a bet. That's even more annoying mw when you'll get called less by 2nd/middle pair/weakdraw type hands, although obv you lose more often as a result of checking.

Having blockers is only part of the reasoning. The other part is that you expect the players in the hand to bet more often than call, but since fish are always paranoid about the PFR having AK every hand, they're just going to check back their straight draws and gutters and even Ax, hands that are calling a bet or 2 anyway because that's what makes them a fish.