Obviously I want to get the money in, but do you think the best way to do that would be to call or raise again like 1/2 pot to something like 140? I dont like the thought of letting him hit with his bluffs like TJ, JQ or any flush and take me for a 400 pot(or make me fold such a sweet hand) when I had the nuts on the flop, but do I just have to try to let him rep my hand in order to get paid? If so, what are you doing on Q or J or spade turns, rivers? Would i always flat turn after calling or would you ever shove over?

Villain: 20/18 aggrfactor: 4.2
3bet: 9.1
foldcbet/callcbet/raisecbet: 67/28/6

dont 3bet the flop

Why are you happy getting the money in?

Agree with this. Also you do not have the nuts on the flop.

Same as everyone else. 3 betting flop seems real bad. It can be ok in certain spots but this isn't one of them. No idea what you're supposed to do now.

wouldn't be as estatic as you, when a nl 100 player 4 bets the flop, you're looking at K9 a really high % of the time.

I say this because I believe he would definitely 3 bet KK big blind vs button with an average 3 bet% of 10% 400 bbs deep and there are only 3 combos remaining of K9.

I am shocked to hear that I should be fearing the 3 remaining combos of K9 instead of trying to extract value/protect from all of the draws that he is bluffing with.

Is this why you guys have said I shouldnt be 3 betting flop? I figured it was mandatory to bloat the pot so deep with such a strong hand in order to induce spazz, charge draws.

I received similar advice on this hand (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...river-1470095/) where I 3 bet trips top kicker on the flop 200 bbs deep. Can you explain why its better to flat in both or either of these cases?

You have position and 3betting folds out his air. You can also have kk and k9 so you can still have a 3b bluff range without being exploitable. I think calling the initial flop raise and raising the turn is a better line for punishing his aggro draws. As played I would go into call down mode.

As stack sizes increase the value of large pairs decreases. I wouldn't be surprised if viallain flats a lot of large pairs and a lot of his range here with 400bb behind. I am not saying you have to fear the fullhouses, I'm just saying calling your hands the nuts is far from the truth.

Fear is a strong word but as each raise goes in, everyone's value range becomes smaller and smaller. 3 betting the flop narrows ranges fairly significantly that it will be hard for you to continue getting action on future streets from worse hands thus you're trading value of future betting for information/protection right now. If you flat the raise on the flop you still have a ton of options on the turn including recouping your 3bet loss at the same time keeping ranges wider for more river play. Also as far as using the 3bet for protection you're basically screaming to villain you have a hand that is willing to give action and he only needs to call 20$ for a chance to win all 340 or so of your remaining stack so there really isn't much protection being offered here. Maybe a larger betsize would be better for protection, but you also risk losing more weaker hands from villain's range.

It's a balancing act. The deeper you are and the more money you have to shove in before all in the stronger your hand needs to be to call the last action. Especially since being so deep opens us up to lines that leak more information about our hand strength and balancing becomes more difficult due to ranges for additional bets/raises being dependent on previous ranges and we may have never considered our flop 4/bet fold or 6 bet ranges before.

people "spazzing" out and getting in 400bb on this flop with worse is just not going to happen, especially against someone who seems like a huge nit (20% VPIP & 67% fold to cbet). His flop 4 betting range is probably {very few bluffs, K9}, putting in another raise against this range is bad. 3 betting the flop can be fine, though.

i think 3-betting the flop is fine, just unfortunate he has K9 this time.

you would have stacked all other 9s.

i think you can fold here and i like the way you played it. if you think folding here is to weak peel one and fold the turn if you dont improve.

i doubt he will continue to bluff if you call

The other hand you're completely polarized by 3betting and it's difficult for you to have value, whereas here it's not quite the case because of the difference in texture and higher card board. It's far easier for you to have something like KKK here hoping to take your villain to cooler city/entice the available draws by 3betting than it is the other hand. Hence when you 3b flop here it's easier for villains to get away from stuff and they just aren't going to choose this texture to float/bluff you.

FYP

just don't 3bet the flop unless you have some reads, now keep calling and hope for the best.