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06-15-2017 , 11:47 AM
Thank you for reading this post. Please give me some advice!

Stats of villain is unknown.

I am troubled with the way to play bottom set AGAIN!
How about this hand?Can you call OTR?

I think the key of this hand is OTT action.
2 opponents remain OTT.
I think they have many overpairs,st8 draws, and flush draws.
So I wanna protect my hand and get value from those draws.

This OTT action was right or wrong?
What should I have to do OTR?

Every advice is helpful for me...


PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.48 BB
SB: 109.52 BB
Hero (BB): 111.38 BB
UTG: 120.78 BB
MP: 124.12 BB
CO: 165.06 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 5 players) 4 6 7
SB checks, Hero bets 9.4 BB, UTG calls 9.4 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 9.4 BB

Turn: (43.2 BB, 3 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 27 BB, UTG calls 27 BB, fold

River: (97.2 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, UTG bets 81.38 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 71.98 BB and is all-in
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06-15-2017 , 02:11 PM
Is very hard for him to be OTR w an OVpair, also hard for him to be value-betting like that like for ex w AA / KK, all the rest of the non-bluffing range is beating us, and about the bluffs, I find these hands: A6 AX AQ/AK, however is not that often on this kind of dynamic, that you can find him shoving bustos... but in the other hand, aren't better hands like sets raising before the river??

I dont see calling bad, if he holds A5 is unlucky but since we can probably discount sets from his range OTR, I see calling not bad on this particular spot...
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06-17-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mchares
Is very hard for him to be OTR w an OVpair, also hard for him to be value-betting like that like for ex w AA / KK, all the rest of the non-bluffing range is beating us, and about the bluffs, I find these hands: A6 AX AQ/AK, however is not that often on this kind of dynamic, that you can find him shoving bustos... but in the other hand, aren't better hands like sets raising before the river??

I dont see calling bad, if he holds A5 is unlucky but since we can probably discount sets from his range OTR, I see calling not bad on this particular spot...
Thank you.
I think its a tough spot too.
As you say, his river bet range is so narrow.
Huuumm...
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06-19-2017 , 06:02 AM
He could possibly have 55 too, not everyone will, but it's a possibility, should easily be folding the turn, but idk maybe counting on spades for bluffing opportunity. Tough spot, I agree I can't see any set not raising the turn, with knowing over half the deck will dramatically change on the river. I hope if your donking with sets, your also doing this with draws and other things to, just not the nuts. It would be good to know more about the villain to make a decision one way or the other, some guys I would just snap and be like whatever and some guys auto muck. Also think if I took this line I'm betting the turn bigger, just because every river is going to suck, obviously hearts should be discounted, but so many bad cards, and if he has a big draw may as well charge him.
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06-20-2017 , 04:10 AM
If you're leading out here make it bigger otf and Ott. River is fairly close and I'd be inclined to call. Sorry you lost op
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06-20-2017 , 10:08 PM
Think you played it fine, guessing you lost to A5ss
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06-21-2017 , 10:00 AM
I agree that this is a tough river spot but I don't see all that many bluffs in your opponents range. I think maybe 98s turned into a bluff, JTs or A-broadway spades at an absolute push. Honestly, I see most players at 50nl flat two streets here with both of those hands. Unfortunately I think he has A5s and 5x (55, 65s) just so so often.

I think you generally play the hand fine, with an inclination to check/fold river unless you know villain is a maniac.

This is not a spot I would worry about too much, you are not going to get exploited very often at these stakes with the line you have taken as it represents a lot of strength when you bet twice here. Regs will pay little respect to a single donk (not in this specific spot as this situation is somewhat different) but against a double barrel they tend to over respect it. Probably for good reason mind.
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06-21-2017 , 06:56 PM
I dont see the point of betting the flop?
River could be a bet.V dose not have any sets in his range and 55 56s are not open for all players UTG so we are not beaten that often on this river at all.AP-C/c is ok he could be over bluffing this spot given that he have all nut flush draws and very few hand worth of value jam.
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06-22-2017 , 12:33 AM
i dont hate flop lead or sizing. we can often bet whatever size we want on the flop and it doesnt make much difference when we consider our entire range for doing so. . whatever....the turn should be very big
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06-22-2017 , 01:40 PM
Nh
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06-23-2017 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jay94
He could possibly have 55 too, not everyone will, but it's a possibility, should easily be folding the turn, but idk maybe counting on spades for bluffing opportunity. Tough spot, I agree I can't see any set not raising the turn, with knowing over half the deck will dramatically change on the river. I hope if your donking with sets, your also doing this with draws and other things to, just not the nuts. It would be good to know more about the villain to make a decision one way or the other, some guys I would just snap and be like whatever and some guys auto muck. Also think if I took this line I'm betting the turn bigger, just because every river is going to suck, obviously hearts should be discounted, but so many bad cards, and if he has a big draw may as well charge him.
Thank you.
Yes you say 'balancing', thats important.

So betting bigger OTT, if scary cards (like HEARTs) coming, you check/fold OTR?
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06-23-2017 , 10:18 PM
It's more villain specific, can't just give a general yes or no, would say calling way higher % than spades in a readless game likely calling yes.
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06-24-2017 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Maverick93
If you're leading out here make it bigger otf and Ott. River is fairly close and I'd be inclined to call. Sorry you lost op
Thank you.
Betting bigger was good.
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06-24-2017 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mucknuts
Think you played it fine, guessing you lost to A5ss
I lost to 85o, amazing...
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06-24-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by verxina
I lost to 85o, amazing...
Wow, that's just really unlucky & very fishy of him.
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06-27-2017 , 02:08 PM
interesting spot how unlucky
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