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06-12-2017 , 08:39 AM
Thank you for reading this post. Please give me some advice!

Stats of villain is unknown.

How do you play this KK?

I feel I misplayed this KK.
But I cant see when I misplayed.

Should bet flop?Should call Turn x/r?
Or should x-back on the turn?

I think there is my huge leaks in this hand...

How dou you think about this hand?

Every advice is helpful for me...

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 150.4 BB
SB: 218.9 BB
BB: 127.18 BB
UTG: 377.32 BB
MP: 60.8 BB
CO: 374.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 7.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 20 BB, SB calls 12.5 BB

Flop: (41 BB, 2 players) T J J
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (41 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, SB raises to 41.08 BB, fold
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06-12-2017 , 10:09 AM
His 3B size is weird, more when holding these stacks, Id 4B way more

In order to have a better and clear image on this hand we gotta weight his range [AA KK QQ JJ TT *99 *88 *77 AK AQs AJs KQs QJs]

I like flop check on this texture and Id also like checking OTT since I felt like beat vs his continuing range when call a CB, in other words, I'm feeling ok by having 1 street of value OTR...

Id like to hear other opinions as well

Last edited by mchares; 06-12-2017 at 10:23 AM.
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06-12-2017 , 10:24 AM
Feels like a fish making a play, I doubt he's checking AA/AJ/1010 to you twice if he's calling 4 bets pre. I'd check back turn and call a blank river, expecting to be good most of the time. As played I'd probably still call and assess river here, probably calling a blank. He could have all sorts of SD/FD, don't really see him checking trips to you twice like I said and I think he'd shove AA pre.

The thing with fish is they will occasionally make really strange moves eg I got shoved on with 10 6o pre this morning (called with QQ), so it can be difficult to give him an accurate range.

Last edited by HulmeArch; 06-12-2017 at 10:37 AM.
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06-13-2017 , 12:17 AM
Flop is bad for your hand as V can make a lot of c/r bluffs. The OS 2 on the turn doesnt change that fact. Use kk to bluff catch on river without a flush, 10, 9 or ace. Otherwise bet 40% Of pot so V thinks you have ak,aq.

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06-13-2017 , 04:45 AM
This flop is good for the SB range(He has AJ,KJ,QJ,J10,J9 and you don't). This means you should have a low cbet%, but this doesn't mean you shouldn't cbet at all. You still have couple of suited Jx bluff hands and 1010, it's also nice to bet some draws on the flop. This is the reason I am looking to bet KK and QQ half of the time, checking back the ones with a spade in it.

As played: I prefer checking AA OTT above KK(He should have a lot of suited aces), so it's a must bet and also you want to have some delay bluffs OTT. Against a check raise you should never fold, as you'r at the top of your range besides JJ. Be ready to call most river cards, and don't feel bad when you lose .
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06-15-2017 , 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mchares
His 3B size is weird, more when holding these stacks, Id 4B way more

In order to have a better and clear image on this hand we gotta weight his range [AA KK QQ JJ TT *99 *88 *77 AK AQs AJs KQs QJs]

I like flop check on this texture and Id also like checking OTT since I felt like beat vs his continuing range when call a CB, in other words, I'm feeling ok by having 1 street of value OTR...

Id like to hear other opinions as well
Thank you.
Yes I felt weired about his 3bet sizing.
I am now thinking the best way was check-back OTT.
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06-15-2017 , 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HulmeArch
Feels like a fish making a play, I doubt he's checking AA/AJ/1010 to you twice if he's calling 4 bets pre. I'd check back turn and call a blank river, expecting to be good most of the time. As played I'd probably still call and assess river here, probably calling a blank. He could have all sorts of SD/FD, don't really see him checking trips to you twice like I said and I think he'd shove AA pre.

The thing with fish is they will occasionally make really strange moves eg I got shoved on with 10 6o pre this morning (called with QQ), so it can be difficult to give him an accurate range.
Thank you.
Yes I should have checked back OTT.
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06-15-2017 , 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallie
This flop is good for the SB range(He has AJ,KJ,QJ,J10,J9 and you don't). This means you should have a low cbet%, but this doesn't mean you shouldn't cbet at all. You still have couple of suited Jx bluff hands and 1010, it's also nice to bet some draws on the flop. This is the reason I am looking to bet KK and QQ half of the time, checking back the ones with a spade in it.

As played: I prefer checking AA OTT above KK(He should have a lot of suited aces), so it's a must bet and also you want to have some delay bluffs OTT. Against a check raise you should never fold, as you'r at the top of your range besides JJ. Be ready to call most river cards, and don't feel bad when you lose .
Huum I feel checking-back OTT is bestway to play.
And will re-consider about his action OTR.
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06-15-2017 , 10:01 PM
I will end this threads.

Thanks all guys!
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06-16-2017 , 11:53 AM
what the hell, people are advocating checking flop AND turn when villain can have dozens of draws in combos? No no no, you can't check two streets here with KK that's crazy. Fish is a fish and you should have called the turn x/raise and re evaluate on the river.

+1 to 4bet sizing, don't allow villain's 3 bet sizings to adjust your 4 bets, just 4 bet that **** big.

Whoever said something about it being a bad flop texture bc you could get x/raise bluffed, that's exactly what you want to happen when you have KK here - here is another way to ask the question.

If you know villain is bluffing you, are you going to fold KK here?

Then why would you fold if you know there are a ton of bluff combo's as well?
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