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50NLz - AA was good ? 50NLz - AA was good ?

06-10-2017 , 04:47 AM
Thank you for reading this post. Please give me some advice!

How about this action?
Turn fold was weak play ,you think?

Bet sizing on all street were correct?
Should I have called opponent's turn shove?

Every advice is helpful for me...

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 108.72 BB
SB: 148.56 BB
BB: 144.02 BB
UTG: 80.86 BB
MP: 141.46 BB
Hero (CO): 103.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 5 2 5
UTG checks, Hero bets 7.22 BB, UTG calls 7.22 BB

Turn: (33.94 BB, 2 players) 8
UTG checks, Hero bets 12.58 BB, UTG raises to 64.64 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 56.14 BB
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06-10-2017 , 05:35 AM
You're never beat here
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06-10-2017 , 06:06 AM
+1 on calling...to much draws or “i need protection“ in his range

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06-10-2017 , 10:24 PM
You're getting like 2 to 1 on a call. Not folding.

Of course I have questions. What's he calling 3bets with? What's his flop continuing range and turn range for getting it in? I mean I have an idea but the gap is huge between a 20 VPIP and an 80 VPIP and you provided no reads. There needs to be at least some analysis in the OP. Still not folding tho.
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06-11-2017 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by civ77
You're never beat here
I think so.
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06-11-2017 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RaoulFlush
+1 on calling...to much draws or “i need protection“ in his range

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Really "too much draw"?
I think he have less likely draws.
Spade flush draws might make him x/r on the flop.
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06-11-2017 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by StarGrinder
You're getting like 2 to 1 on a call. Not folding.

Of course I have questions. What's he calling 3bets with? What's his flop continuing range and turn range for getting it in? I mean I have an idea but the gap is huge between a 20 VPIP and an 80 VPIP and you provided no reads. There needs to be at least some analysis in the OP. Still not folding tho.
Sorry, stats of villain was unknown..
What is his (semi)bluff range specifically?

This board is not so wet, I think.
and I block ace of spade.
I can't image his bluffing range...
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06-11-2017 , 02:36 AM
He might have x/floated some clubs as well that jam the turn...but mostly we will see some tt+ here...what kind of hands including 5x do you expect him to play utg vs a 3b?

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06-11-2017 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RaoulFlush
He might have x/floated some clubs as well that jam the turn...but mostly we will see some tt+ here...what kind of hands including 5x do you expect him to play utg vs a 3b?

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Thank you for reply.
I think he might of A5,22,55,88, and clubs.

If he had TT+, he might x/r flop or x/c 3 streets from flop to river for bluff-catching, I think.
I feel strange his x/r on the TURN.I easily have overpairs.

So I think his pocket pairs range is less likely.
What do you think about that?
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06-11-2017 , 03:46 AM
A5 is obv. blocked heavily due to your AA...he could have 22/88 obv though...but ppl tend to protect theire higher pairs here a lot beeing scared ov OCs or flushcards hitting...not pretending it would be a good play....

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06-11-2017 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by verxina
Thank you for reply.
I think he might of A5,22,55,88, and clubs.

If he had TT+, he might x/r flop or x/c 3 streets from flop to river for bluff-catching, I think.
I feel strange his x/r on the TURN.I easily have overpairs.

So I think his pocket pairs range is less likely.
What do you think about that?
Stop being so MUBSY, especially when you're 1/3 potting flop and turn. And don't do that on these types of boards. It just seems like you're copying bet sizes and don't really understand the reasoning behind the bet sizings you're using.
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06-11-2017 , 05:02 AM
Villain seems not to be a regular because of his <100bb stack and additionally the turn shove looks like a gross overplay, which only distributes to very few hands like A5 or 65, and both are not part of a standard 3B calling range, maybe both are good for a 4bet bluff here depending on villains 3B%. Same affects to hands like 22 and 55.

So, if you're against a reg, you don't have to fear any of those hands in his range, or they are at least very unlikely. More likely are hands like QQ+, 88 and very rarely a semibluff with AK.

Versus a fish all of the above hands become more likely but on the other hand there are also much more hands in fishes turn shoving range, like 99+. Moreover, the size of your flop and turn bet induces incorrect turn shoves more often than a higher betsizing would.

If you merge both ranges you are way more often ahead than behind.

Call.

Last edited by fairyace; 06-11-2017 at 05:10 AM.
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06-11-2017 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Stop being so MUBSY, especially when you're 1/3 potting flop and turn. And don't do that on these types of boards. It just seems like you're copying bet sizes and don't really understand the reasoning behind the bet sizings you're using.
Sorry, I cant understand what you want to say.
Reveiwing hand range has no relationship with using bet slider.That is quite a different matter.

I just wanna know how to review hand ranges.
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06-11-2017 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RaoulFlush
A5 is obv. blocked heavily due to your AA...he could have 22/88 obv though...but ppl tend to protect theire higher pairs here a lot beeing scared ov OCs or flushcards hitting...not pretending it would be a good play....

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Thank you.
Oh, I forgot blocking A5...

Thank so much!
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06-11-2017 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by fairyace
Villain seems not to be a regular because of his <100bb stack and additionally the turn shove looks like a gross overplay, which only distributes to very few hands like A5 or 65, and both are not part of a standard 3B calling range, maybe both are good for a 4bet bluff here depending on villains 3B%. Same affects to hands like 22 and 55.

So, if you're against a reg, you don't have to fear any of those hands in his range, or they are at least very unlikely. More likely are hands like QQ+, 88 and very rarely a semibluff with AK.

Versus a fish all of the above hands become more likely but on the other hand there are also much more hands in fishes turn shoving range, like 99+. Moreover, the size of your flop and turn bet induces incorrect turn shoves more often than a higher betsizing would.

If you merge both ranges you are way more often ahead than behind.

Call.
Thank you very much for the detailed explanations.

Easy to understand.
You are right. I should have called.
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06-11-2017 , 07:13 AM
I like 3betting bigger pre vs UTG with both value and bluffs, since we're more polarized.
On flop, since u have As I will half the time check back. When I bet I'm using a 1/2 to 2/3 pot size Cbet to get more value from draws and pair.
On turn, u gotta bet again. I would bet a lil bigger and call expecting to see some draws/JJ+. Once in a while he will show up w the 22/88 but I personally think he's more weighted toward bluffs/draws and I would be fine getting all in here. Also, I feel like it's too presumptive to assume that any spade draw is checkraising flop. I'm even more skeptical of a 5 and youre getting the right price for a 50/50 value/draw split on his part so I think its a call. I might be on the loose side here tho, just my opinion.
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06-11-2017 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by fairyace
Moreover, the size of your flop and turn bet induces incorrect turn shoves more often than a higher betsizing would.
Call.
Good point about the smaller bet sizings here inducing more shoves. Although I lean towards bigger bet sizings here as my standard play, that is definitely noteworthy here.
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06-11-2017 , 11:40 AM
I agree w Kurrency in checking back w ace of spades, no turn card can hurt you, even a 3 or a 4 gives you a str8 draw, a spade gives you a draw to the nuts, call the turn bet or even better shove Vs turn bet. If checked to on turn, bet 3/4 Pot and bet brick river or call any V river bet.


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06-14-2017 , 12:00 AM
Thank you both of you.
really understandable explanation.
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06-14-2017 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by verxina
Sorry, stats of villain was unknown..
What is his (semi)bluff range specifically?

This board is not so wet, I think.
and I block ace of spade.
I can't image his bluffing range...
His protecting range could be an overplay of every single op to the board (with your small sizings here you are probably inducing with more of a higher % than you think if your always betting this small), I have no idea how your folding this hand here. Will you occasionally be beat, ofc, but you should be good way more then behind. You block A5s really hard with 2 AA and that would likely be one of his very few continuing 5x hands.

Last edited by jay94; 06-14-2017 at 07:06 AM.
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06-14-2017 , 01:26 PM
check flop imo

as played not folding villain is most likely some kind of fish/bad reg so this is just whatever if he ever has better, he'll have 76s like this (he shouldn't obv but he will) 8x TT and some other random bull**** that some fun player at nl50z can have. gl
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06-16-2017 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jay94
His protecting range could be an overplay of every single op to the board (with your small sizings here you are probably inducing with more of a higher % than you think if your always betting this small), I have no idea how your folding this hand here. Will you occasionally be beat, ofc, but you should be good way more then behind. You block A5s really hard with 2 AA and that would likely be one of his very few continuing 5x hands.
Thank you.
I agree with you.
I should have called his shove.
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06-16-2017 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rewdzx
check flop imo

as played not folding villain is most likely some kind of fish/bad reg so this is just whatever if he ever has better, he'll have 76s like this (he shouldn't obv but he will) 8x TT and some other random bull**** that some fun player at nl50z can have. gl
Yes I think so now.
Thank you!
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06-16-2017 , 03:29 AM
I will end this threads.

Thanks all guys!
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06-16-2017 , 11:46 AM
villain is shoving quads???
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