I was playing 29/25/af3.3/3bet6.4 Squeeze 12.3 855 hands

HJ is 17/13/af10.0/3bet6.1 80 hands

BTN is 34/20/af2.0/3bet4.8 44 hands

BB is 19/11/af1.7/3bet5.6 Squeeze 33.3 37 hands

I'm comfortable 4betting or 4bet/shoving after HJ just flats the squeeze because BB's squeeze range is likely wide or none paired premium/semi preimium/lower PP.

However, flatting the squeeze will most likely make it 4 way pot.

4bet might look FOS since I just flat open preflop.

QQ should dominate all their range in a 4 way pot,

What's more +EV? If you pick one please explain.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $434.05 (217 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $209.24 (104.6 bb)
MP: $379.20 (189.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $5, Hero calls $5, BTN calls $5, SB folds, BB raises to $24, MP calls $19, Hero ???

I 3bet AK preflop way more often than QQ.

sample size is irreverent here imo.

I jam given dead money, were doing pretty well vs TT+/AK given the money already in the pot.


edit: i thought this was 100nl.

I would prob back raise here to like 26bb, and hoping they jam with the hands I mentioned above. calling id like more with reads, and since MP has called, BB is gonna play fit/fold post flop if we come along, meaning we wont get a cbet out of them with air, were HU they are more likely to cbet.

Raise to $60ish and call a shove? Don't like calling here multiway but would lean more towards flatting if MP had folded and BTN was a fish for example.

So no one likes flatting preflop?

Let's say

4bet takes it down preflop 100%

or

Flat is GTD 4 way pot with domination except on a Axx or Kxx flop.

What's it gonna be?

^^^^ the second scenario isn't always true and you lack initiative

You mean I'm a fu@kee instead of a fu@ker because I didn't 4bet preflop?

Why is that bad on no A/K flop texture?

I don't think its bad to do so but why is it better to let 3 players go to flop than collect all their dead money?

Yeah 4bet is easy money no risk, that's true.

I was thinking flatting might allow us to win more money(+$19 GTD) vs lose some money when we are cooler ed with a small chance of us winning a big multiple way pot.

But yeah if we are investment bank, we pick 4bet every time I guess.

Judging by the comments in the thread, I guess 4betting preflop is the best line.

I chose to flat preflop because I'm a gambler and I wanted to win more money the reason is as simple as that.

So same villains same stats, it goes 4 way as expected. I hit a decent flop but with a possibility of getting sucked out on turn. However, we do have a strong redraw on river.

If we flat HJ's cbet, there is some chance that two players behind might flat also which would make the pot $333. Gamble again and flat or raise to protect?

Again another +EV question, which one would you pick? Please explain.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $434.05 (217 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $209.24 (104.6 bb)
MP: $379.20 (189.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $5, Hero calls $5, BTN calls $5, SB folds, BB raises to $24, MP calls $19, Hero calls $19, BTN calls $19

Flop: ($97) Q 3 T (4 players)
BB checks, MP bets $59, Hero ???

3b/broke pre std except vs. uberstrong action, but I guess you know you shoving ranges pre and I don't need to tell you. Flatting pre it's pretty bad 'cause you don't know what to do vs. MP strong action after the sqz, and moreover you may also create a family pot, which is the last thing we want with QQ.

As played std push OTF, we are repping a wider range shoving and BB is never calling with 1 pair hand even if we just call, so broke and gg.

I'd 4b jam pre; you can get called by worse. This is kinda what you're hoping will happen when you flat that open.

The BB 3bet getting sick odds to call and the original raiser and BTN are both 180bb's effective vs eachother so everyone is coming along pre. The times that you get the rest of your stack in post you'll not be in great shape and hardly ever dominating.

Are you talking about what happens in general when you flat the squeeze?

How about this particular flop where we hit a top set on very wet texture?

You flat HJ's cbet or you raise him?

u dont win more money flatting.
if u jam pre more times than not someone will put their stack in with hands u crash (eg. TT).where as if u flat the action will slow down on scary flops,thus lose a lot of value.

as played def shove flop.

I'm glad I posted this hand because I'm finding out that I did every single thing wrong.

1) I should 4bet preflop but I didn't.

2) I should raise HJ's flop cbet post flop but I didn't.

I made all these wrong decisions out of greed but it's not even profitable in general.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $434.05 (217 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $209.24 (104.6 bb)
MP: $379.20 (189.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $5, Hero calls $5, BTN calls $5, SB folds, BB raises to $24, MP calls $19, Hero calls $19, BTN calls $19

Flop: ($97) Q 3 T (4 players)
BB checks, MP bets $59, Hero calls $59, 2 folds

Turn: ($215) K (2 players)
MP bets $119.50, Hero calls $117 and is all-in

River: ($449) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $449 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: Q 3 T K J
MP showed T T and lost (-$200 net)
Hero showed Q Q and won $446.20 ($246.20 net)

Now I wish that I lost this hand so I learn my lesson better.

What a shame......

Combat Carl - you're almost certainly a losing player at 200NL Zoom. I'm not hating but trying to be honest.

I recommend investing in a training site/books/a coach. You seem to be open-minded and willing to improve but I think you've got a LONG way to go. Best of luck though.