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Old 07-01-2012, 01:44 AM   #1
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4 bet hand with QQ

I have a small sample size on my opponent in this hand and am not sure what the best "standard" type of line should be. I think Villian is a reg and I am playing on a few tables with him.

His stats are 26/20/11.4 3bet

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SB ($61.50)
BB ($41.09)
UTG ($49.25)
MP ($18.75)
Hero (CO) ($88.44)
Button ($66.74)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
1 fold, MP bets $1.34, Hero raises to $4.18, 1 fold, SB raises to $14.38, 2 folds, Hero calls $10.20

Flop: ($30.60) J, K, J (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero folds

Total pot: $30.60 | Rake: $1.50

My thought process is that he is not cold 4betting light here because I 3bet an EP raiser which shows strength. I think if I shove I am getting called 100% of the time. I considered folding PF, but decided that I would flat and get it in on any flop without an Ace or a King.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:52 AM   #2
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Re: 4 bet hand with QQ

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I have a small sample size on my opponent in this hand and am not sure what the best "standard" type of line should be. I think Villian is a reg and I am playing on a few tables with him.

His stats are 26/20/11.4 3bet

My thought process is that he is not cold 4betting light here because I 3bet an EP raiser which shows strength. I think if I shove I am getting called 100% of the time. I considered folding PF, but decided that I would flat and get it in on any flop without an Ace or a King.
How many sample do you have on him and what's his 4bet and squeeze?

If high then I think that means he is aggressive preflop in general and he could very well be cold 4betting with AK.

"I considered folding PF, but decided that I would flat and get it in on any flop without an Ace or a King" - I don't like this thinking. This means that we are ahead preflop but we wanna see if we are unlucky postflop. It also allows the villain to bluff postflop with an incredible FE on Axx or Kxx flop. And we are going broke to AA/KK on a flat board texture 100 % of the time.

Since we are closing action and we have position on the villain flatting the 4bet could be acceptable but I don't like it.

At 123BB effective stacks, I don't think you can ever feel too bad about stacking off preflop with QQ. I'd just keep it simple and 5bet/call.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:25 AM   #3
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Re: 4 bet hand with QQ

Id rather call AK than QQ

just stick it in and jam.. I dont think you should establish a 5betting range here
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:12 PM   #4
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Re: 4 bet hand with QQ

Without more stats/information (on the 4better or opener)I get QQ in pre here, but not felling too great, because the 4better pretty much put the opener AI.
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Re: 4 bet hand with QQ

don't like folding...not a fan of calling...sigh shove pre?
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:20 PM   #6
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Re: 4 bet hand with QQ

120bb easycake shove pre
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:53 AM   #7
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Re: 4 bet hand with QQ

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How many sample do you have on him and what's his 4bet and squeeze?

If high then I think that means he is aggressive preflop in general and he could very well be cold 4betting with AK.

"I considered folding PF, but decided that I would flat and get it in on any flop without an Ace or a King" - I don't like this thinking. This means that we are ahead preflop but we wanna see if we are unlucky postflop. It also allows the villain to bluff postflop with an incredible FE on Axx or Kxx flop. And we are going broke to AA/KK on a flat board texture 100 % of the time.

Since we are closing action and we have position on the villain flatting the 4bet could be acceptable but I don't like it.

At 123BB effective stacks, I don't think you can ever feel too bad about stacking off preflop with QQ. I'd just keep it simple and 5bet/call.
Well the way I was looking at it is if we put him on a range as tight as AK, KK+, then there are 16 combos of AK and 12 combos of overpairs. I only had like 100 hands on the 4better so the 4bet/squeeze stats are not really dependable. So if I shove preflop with this range, then half the time I am getting it in dominated, and the other half of the time I am getting it in as a coin flip. If I flat and shove over his cbet on boards with no A or K then I am still dominated by the overpairs, but am now crushing half his range. I think the problem is that if we can put a few other hands in his 4betting range like JJ and TT then shoving and getting it in PF is probably better. Am i being too nitty putting an unknown regish player on a range as tight as AK, KK+?

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Old 07-03-2012, 08:09 PM   #8
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Re: 4 bet hand with QQ

seems like a standard shove pre. Don't know why you would flat there.
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