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Old 02-06-2012, 07:55 PM   #1
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3b pot

villain 24/20/AF 2.1/3b 10/SQZ 12/ cbet 57/turn cbet 50/check/raise 36%/river agg 25% - 388 hands


villain has been playing very aggro. He 3bet me 1 orbit ago and x/shoved a 8xxs flop.
villain has also x/raised me on Jxxs and folded when i bluff 3bet.

Couple of questions.

1. i fold to 3bets ~70% so when i float this flop should i be betting turn because that's what i would be doing with all the aces in my range.

2. can we ever call this river? villain shouldn't be bluffing here but maybe he's bad aggro enough to.


Oh and i floated the flop because no one really 2barrels Axx boards and we can win the hand when he checks.


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Hero (BTN): $125.76
SB: $36.94
BB: $122.33
UTG: $168.35
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with K Q
1 fold, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, BB raises to $13.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $10.50

Flop: ($30.50) A 6 2 (2 players)
BB bets $16.25, Hero calls $16.25

Turn: ($63.00) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($63.00) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $45.00, Hero folds
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:26 PM   #2
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Re: 3b pot

ur plan was to float and take it away, then u have to do it when he checks the turn, yes u might have some sdvalue but he might bluff u off the pot now and hit som hand also
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:51 PM   #3
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Re: 3b pot

I'd just bet turn since you turn your hand face up when checking back. Therefore he's going to put you in a tough spot on the river.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:10 PM   #4
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Re: 3b pot

I think when hero checks back turn his hand looks like mostly Ax type hands, hardly face up when we have Khi... so not the worst spot ever to go for a delayed float if villain is tricky aggro and likes to c/r turns with initiative.

Overall don't really like the hand though, KQo doesn't really play that well to a squeeze. I'd consider folding and 3b as options vs the initial raise if there are aggro players in the blinds.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:28 PM   #5
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ur plan was to float and take it away, then u have to do it when he checks the turn, yes u might have some sdvalue but he might bluff u off the pot now and hit som hand also
i have been watching memoirs of aejones recently and he advocated floating Ax flops, checking back turn, then bluffing river.
But because im so tight to 3bets i think most of my range would be betting the turn for value, so maybe thats a reason to bet turn.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:30 PM   #6
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Overall don't really like the hand though, KQo doesn't really play that well to a squeeze. I'd consider folding and 3b as options vs the initial raise if there are aggro players in the blinds.
Dunno why KQ wouldnt play well vs a 12% SQZ.....
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:25 PM   #7
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Dunno why KQ wouldnt play well vs a 12% SQZ.....
Because even tho he has a 12% squeeze, 3-4% will be sheer value, 3-4% will be valuish and have KQo dominated and the other 4% will be hands like 78s that can play well postflop and put you in some ****ty spots when you miss the flop 7/10 times.

KQo also has virtually no SD value with high card strength alone.

3 bet this pre before flatting with said villain still to act, you basically set up a dream scenerio preflop with a high squeeze villain
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:29 PM   #8
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Re: 3b pot

floating AXX with Khi and not betting turn when given the opportunity hurts my head

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i have been watching memoirs of aejones recently and he advocated floating Ax flops, checking back turn, then bluffing river.
probably need some history where you do that with AX first, that strategy sounds like a recipe for getting hero-called by a ton of hands on this texture at ssnl
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:43 PM   #9
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Dunno why KQ wouldnt play well vs a 12% SQZ.....
KQo does have decent preflop equity vs a 12% range (his true squeeze% may not be even close to 12% - sample size), but postflop play is basically going to consist of us bluffcatching when we make a pair and sometimes floating with marginal immediate equity and little to no backdoor equity. Its hard to make strong hands or draws to strong hands, but I guess if your comfortable playing it then it's ok.

Didn't mean to hijack thread by talking about preflop, just my first thoughts as I read the HH.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:48 PM   #10
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KQo does have decent preflop equity vs a 12% range (his true squeeze% may not be even close to 12% - sample size), but postflop play is basically going to consist of us bluffcatching when we make a pair and sometimes floating with marginal immediate equity and little to no backdoor equity. Its hard to make strong hands or draws to strong hands, but I guess if your comfortable playing it then it's ok.

Didn't mean to hijack thread by talking about preflop, just my first thoughts as I read the HH.
It's not that great, about 40% equity against a range 12% in a bloated pot without initiative with a small ish SPR compared to a single raised pot(TT+ ATo+ ATs+ A2s-A5s with the the random hand like 78s 89s, KQo Q9s) etc thrown in there.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:55 PM   #11
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probably need some history where you do that with AX first, that strategy sounds like a recipe for getting hero-called by a ton of hands on this texture at ssnl
What do you think about calling pre? a couple of people think i should be folding, i always thought calling a wide sqz w/KQo was pretty standard.

3betting it pre also seems bad because CO is pretty much playing 4b/fold when oop so im just turning KQ into a bluff. Also if i shouldnt be flatting KQ vs co then i shouldnt be flatting anything unless i was trapping with JJ+
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:00 AM   #12
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What do you think about calling pre? a couple of people think i should be folding, i always thought calling a wide sqz w/KQo was pretty standard.

3betting it pre also seems bad because CO is pretty much playing 4b/fold when oop so im just turning KQ into a bluff. Also if i shouldnt be flatting KQ vs co then i shouldnt be flatting anything unless i was trapping with JJ+
It's not that you shouldn't be flatting KQo vs a cutoff open, in a vaccum it's +EV. It's that flatting in that spot with a 12% squeezer in the blinds is going to be less EV than 4 betting it pre.

Sample size discalimer yada yada yada.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:01 AM   #13
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It's not that great, about 40% equity against a range 12% in a bloated pot without initiative with a small ish SPR compared to a single raised pot(TT+ ATo+ ATs+ A2s-A5s with the the random hand like 78s 89s, KQo Q9s) etc thrown in there.
Don't we only need 34% equity to call this SQZ?
And according to my calculation we have closer to 45% equity vs a 12% SQZ.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:32 AM   #14
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this has to be a fold preflop.

be careful with how you justify a float, there is much more to it than just how often your stats say you fold to 3 bets, and the texture.

As played turn has to be a bet
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:34 AM   #15
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whats our calling range preflop then? AQ and thats it?
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