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let's just have a mod change the title to 2012. it's not like this thread is very cluttered from 2011...

All of us, we're just still waiting to receive them.

There is a 2012 thread

I remember seeing this but I can't even find it now! I'm gonna ask that the thread title be changed to 2012 on this thread as that's probably best.

what up 2012

Games are still sweet, regardless weather I can get the results or not

Lot's to like about the network, and some things I hate, but game quality is one of the things I like. Here's hoping luck turns in 2012! Don't think I'll make it another few months if not

Trying to get them to address the issue with delayed payouts and I'm not talking about for US players, as we all get that. Guess we'll see but I feel compelled to remind people to only have what you can stomach to lose on any online poker site. Here's what they said so farhttp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=596

Thanks for the info. It makes me feel a little bit better but with everything that has happened in past I get a little worried when cashouts start taking longer than expected.

Are we to believe that their payout team is working 8 hours a day five days a week just typing in payout info on Moneybookers and after two weeks they still haven't gotten around to us?
That's a ****load of backed up withdrawals lol.

It should take the same amount of time as it does to reply to my "where is my money?" email, right?

I agree. From my experience with the site too, I can't imagine that there are that many people withdrawing either. When I contacted support they told me there was a backup from Christmas. That was almost a month ago. She assured me that I would be getting my money, which was a little strange considering the fact that I didn't ask whether I would be getting it but how long it would take. She also thanked me for being patient and I told her what else was I supposed to do, you guys have my money.

Wouldn't one person spending more than one hour a day would be able to keep up with the withdrawal demand? Maybe it's much more complicated for a company but when I've sent money on moneybookers it takes ~15 seconds to type in the info.

Doesn't 2+2 comprise the majority of cashouts on the everleaf network? Are we requesting thousands of cashouts a day or something?

I can't think of any explanation other than they are delaying cashouts intentionally or that they are having trouble getting funds to pay out. Delaying cashouts seems much more likely, simply in hopes that you play with the funds longer and/or cancel the cashout.

Would love to be wrong here..

I agree with everything above stated. The issue is that they subtract the funds from our accounts, so we don't have access to them unless we specifically cancel the cashouts. Last month I think there were a total of 3k people in the rakerace. Of those 3k people playing cash games, 1) how many are actually winning? and 2) How many are actually cashing out? I can't imagine it even being as high as 300, so i don't understand the delay. If in fact there is a backup, wouldn't it be wise to put all your people on this as when players get worried especially in light of all the recent happenings in the industry, I would think that they would want to ease peoples' fears. I have been told twice by support, not to worry that my funds are safe and that I will be receiving them. Honestly, when I hear this, I get worried.

When did you guys make your withdrawals? I did one in middle of December and I did recieve it about ~30-35 days later, also had friends who got their very late withdrawals.

If I'm over the cap can people under the cap see me when I sit down at USD tables? Or are all my tables hidden regardless of game or currency? If anyone wants to start USD NL50 tables in a little bit PM me.

If anyone is on, call you tell me if you see the stud tables Nice 1 (euro) or San Luis 20 (USD) or the NL50 USD table Speed Portland 19?

I see you and am playing you HU on Portland 20

thanks. you are better than me at hu imo

Im in the conspiracy camp of they don't winning players on there site anymore or its a ponzi scheme. Still waiting on a 1/4 withdraw hopefully i get it next week. This site was nice for a little while but now that euros are having to wait like 2 to 3 weeks for a e wallet cashout thats kind of ridic and hurts the trading rate a lottttt.

Put me in this conspiracy camp: I'm sure they mark certain accounts and assign a handicap. My guess is this is done because they just so happen to use the old continuous shuffle, which there's no ***** reason for and I'm only sorry I had faith that it was just an epic bad run for so long now. Call it w/e you want because I really (lol) don't care and I am outside any statistical probability, far beyond 3 standard deviations from the mean and this is only on all ins. It's ****ing ludacris the other stuff that happens. I've played far to many years (20) and far to many hands (millions) to really give a **** if someone makes fun of me for saying this. This is just a warning for people who are in a silly, silly downer that it could go on for months. Yes, it could also just be normal variance, that's where I ****ed up though and went at it too long.

I can document any and all of this btw so if anyone ever wants all my hands (485,000) they are more than welcome to them and I hope they burn this network to the ground. It's crazy because I was actually friendly with the network too and just took it up the ass for 170 days, or 229 sessions in a row with not even one of them being at or above ev.

Again, my guess is they only mark certain accounts and you'd def know it if it was you but I think my mistake was talking with a network head before I joined and negotiating rakeback and a move from another skin etc. In that convo I told how much I play and rake etc.

So yes, this site is ****ing rigged and I'm officially moved on now 100% and am so worked that I'm not gonna even make an issue out of it beyond this post b/c I don't have the time nor the energy but would be more than happy to give my hands to anyone who wants them if they want to pool some together and burn this site to the ground. I'm happy to just finally realize it and GTFO.

See you on Merge where I'm gonna pillage and not care, I've got a lot of making up to do.

BTW, last thing, save your hands guys! The network will NOT send them to you, they say they straight up dont have the ability! I'm super glad I have all mine though as auditing them has helped me, well that and I'm glad to have them now so I can give them to someone if they ever want.

I'm 100% satisfied with my personal (and my friends who bear witness) conclusion, so laugh if you will but I do this for the one person who may get something out of it.. I'm well beyond any statistical anomaly and while pretty much anything is possible, there's a line drawn with what is probable. IMT if you will.

Cheers ya'll and maybe I'll see ya on Merge, but either way glgl on ELG or wherever you play.

Am playing on Everleaf at the moment at the micros, but there's no micro regulars thread and hopefully in not too long i'll be playing ssnl anyway.

Quick question in comparison to 10nl, having looked at 50/100nl there still seems to be people playing 50/9 etc, is this the case?

Also the amount of time it takes to withdraw is causing me to slightly worry if I choose to jump ship and move networks at any point.

U kind of right here, the cash out on everlef is taking far to long!

Yeah there's still pretty big fish at a lot of 50nl and 100nl tables.

haven't played 100NL but from scanning the lobby it looks to be pretty dead. 50NL is pretty soft. more regs than lower stakes, obv, but most of the regs have pretty glaring weaknesses. there are enough fish still at NL50 that you don't have to be very good to win.

Yeah, games are soft. Not too many 100NL tables most hours of the day, generally you need to be playing some 4max if you wanna play 100NL.

If you don't play 4 max you cant get enough tables to play at 100 and 200NL. I think there are bigger fish in the 100 and 200NL games. I think this is the case because the casino guys come and play in these games and don't exactly want to be playing in the smaller games. Though there are much bigger fish on these tables, in general I feel the regs are much better in these games than at the 50NL. After 6 PM EST, even these games die and the tables that do run are mostly regs from US.