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| Small Stakes PL/NL Discussions regarding small stakes pot and no-limit hold'em (50c-1 to 1-2) |
05-23-2012, 06:54 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4
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200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
BB: $200.00
UTG: $281.17
CO: $197.27
Hero (BTN): $352.58
SB: $225.41
SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has K  K
fold, fold, Hero raises to $6.00, fold, BB raises to $20.00, Hero calls $14.00
Flop: ($41.00, 2 players) 5  T  7
BB bets $20.00, Hero calls $20.00
Turn: ($81.00, 2 players) 8
BB checks,
Hero bets $40.00,
BB raises to $160.00 and is all-in,
What do you think?
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05-23-2012, 07:14 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 751
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
Call
You provided no stats on his preflop play but I'm assuming you slow played pre expecting him to ship it all to you with worse or bluff all his chips to you. I see no reason to change your mind now.
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05-23-2012, 07:27 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: London
Posts: 222
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
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Originally Posted by ggnoobs
Call
You provided no stats on his preflop play but I'm assuming you slow played pre expecting him to ship it all to you with worse or bluff all his chips to you. I see no reason to change your mind now.
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Completely agree with this. Looks like the hand went exactly to plan... it's a snap.
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05-23-2012, 10:28 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 126
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
There are a lot of combinations of hands that already beat you, and a lot of times he still has a big draw w/pair type hand. With no reads it's hard to lay down the big over pair, but it is even harder to call a big all in raise on the turn with one pair on that board.
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05-24-2012, 01:24 AM
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stranger
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
You should have raised the flop unless the guy is overly loose.
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05-24-2012, 01:49 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 751
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
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Originally Posted by CardXFactor
There are a lot of combinations of hands that already beat you, and a lot of times he still has a big draw w/pair type hand. With no reads it's hard to lay down the big over pair, but it is even harder to call a big all in raise on the turn with one pair on that board.
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With the money already in and only 1 card to come, KK has great equity against the draws, even the biggest ones.
What combinations of hands that already beat KK are you giving villain here?
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05-24-2012, 02:47 PM
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#7
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 126
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
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Originally Posted by ggnoobs
With the money already in and only 1 card to come, KK has great equity against the draws, even the biggest ones.
What combinations of hands that already beat KK are you giving villain here?
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Hey,
Yea this is def a tough spot for me based on how I play, because when I see a strong all in on the turn, where the opponent knows I have odds to call, I would bet more than not that I am already beat, and than at best, if I am ahead, its against the big draw, which of course KK has equity against.
To be honest, I find it hard to give general advice on this because I only know what happens to me in spots like this, and its usually very player dependent.
Say the guy is a big nit, "Do I really think he is just semi bluffing?" is what I would ask myself in this spot, but if I had history with him and knew he was capable of semi bluffing and betting with less, than it would be totally different read.
Edit: And to answer you answer about combinations, its more that I wouldn't narrow down to say "XX of clubs", but that there are so many that he could have in this spot.
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05-24-2012, 06:08 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
only played a max of 200 hands with the BB so no real style of is play is known at this point.
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05-24-2012, 06:19 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Javelling wars
Posts: 7,261
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
Would raise flop.
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05-25-2012, 08:59 AM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 751
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
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Originally Posted by bobalot
only played a max of 200 hands with the BB so no real style of is play is known at this point.
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In that case,
4bet pre,
or after you flatted pre, raise the flop
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05-25-2012, 06:09 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 200
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
Can't go wrong really as long as u don't fold. @cardxfactor, no offense, but ur long-winded , cloudy posts(u never seem to have an opinion anyway) really can't hide the fact the games have passed u and in today's games u are more or less clueless. This is far from a tough spot imo. It's a 3b pot btn vs bb afterall
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05-26-2012, 11:15 PM
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#12
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Somewhere in Asia
Posts: 3,389
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
So he is a regular, unknown, and aggressive? What?
I'd say "f@xk you" and 4bet his ass preflop and size it so that he thinks he can 5bet/bluff you.
As played, raise the s@it out of his lead on flop and commit yourself to stacking off. His turn CRAI is interesting. I mean if I was to slow play KK here I would like him to lead TBAI. That could be air, naked A of club with a pair or no pair, or mortal nuts(if it is, take note he did that because it's stupid). Whatever, break your mouse snapping his CRAI. Your hand should be good most of the time on the turn anyway.
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05-28-2012, 12:35 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,065
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
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Originally Posted by CardXFactor
Say the guy is a big nit, "Do I really think he is just semi bluffing?" is what I would ask myself in this spot, but if I had history with him and knew he was capable of semi bluffing and betting with less, than it would be totally different read.
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If anything, I would be more inclined to shove against someone I'd pegged as a nit in this spot. Struggling to think of a player I'd want to fold against tbh.
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05-28-2012, 01:10 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: meh, fr, 6 max or hu?! :S:S
Posts: 5,819
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
4 bet pre, failing that raise flop.
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05-28-2012, 11:58 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,966
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Re: 200NL Max, Pkt Ks, What do you all think?
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Originally Posted by pontylad
4 bet pre, failing that raise flop.
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Calling pre is fine because he should have a good amount of bluffs in these positions. I'd prefer to flat flop to let him bluff since even one of the worst turn cards like the 8c isn't that bad if he barrels.
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