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Old 05-18-2017, 08:55 PM   #1
Minatorr
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200NL: Hero Call w/ Underpair facing river bet

Just joined the table, so not too many reads. BTN doesn't seem too fishy based off stats.

Flop c-bet I'm pretty sure is standard. Turn's not a good spot to keep barreling, so I decided to check/decide. I don't think we can fold this turn yet, as this flop is pretty floatable. Overs + backdoor clubs, A-high, club draws, double backdoors, etc. He might even be turning 44-77 into a bluff.

OTR, some straight draws and all club draws missed. Also, with the paired 3's on the flop, it's less likely he has 33. I think his value range is just super narrow here. He is basically repping KJ+, and even then I see people nit-check back KJ here OTR at times. With 2 3's out there, it's less likely he has 33. I think this was close since I have a lot of Jx here when I x/c turn, but I had no club blocker & no straight draw blocker.

People have definitely been spewier since I moved up to 200NL. I've seen quite a bit of light cold 4-betting, and even 5-bet bluff ships with suited wheel aces vs my 4-bet bluffs twice 120bb & 160bb deep. Obv it feels great to pick off bluffs, but sometimes you run terrible & they just always have it.

What's the worst hand you call with here OTR with? And OTT, I think we can fold 22, 55, 66, but we should x/c call 77-1010? Reason being, 55/66 block backdoor straight draws, and 77-1010 beat lower pocket pairs fishy players might turn into bluffs OTT.

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 190.16 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
SB: 86.73 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (UTG): 98.5 BB
MP: 220.4 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 3 J 3
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (33.5 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

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Old 05-18-2017, 09:17 PM   #2
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Re: 200NL: Hero Call w/ Underpair facing river bet

On turn I'm putting him on a AJ/KJ/club draw/KQ/44-77. Turn call is standard.

On the river, I'm not expecting him to have J9 as that shouldnt have bet turn. U need 36% against his range, I started with 20 combos of AJ/KJ, balanced it with 8 combos of likely club draws that could've called pre and not paired flop or riv, and threw in 44-66. Against that you're at around 48%

So I say its a call

edit: screwed up combos first post

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Old 05-18-2017, 09:47 PM   #3
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Re: 200NL: Hero Call w/ Underpair facing river bet

^ Imo his flop floating range and turn betting range is going to be quite wider than that.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:21 PM   #4
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Re: 200NL: Hero Call w/ Underpair facing river bet

In practice, you're probably right given the flops texture.

But, my point is that even erring on the side of caution its still a call math wise, so if u lost this one no biggy
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:49 AM   #5
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Re: 200NL: Hero Call w/ Underpair facing river bet

Call and make a note, not sure what else to do. Feels as though we're just too high up to fold. Think you played this hand well, maybe flop sizing can be a touch smaller with your whole range.
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