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02-25-2015 , 07:46 AM
Villain has high 4-bet so I decided to call. I could shove also.
Can we call flop on this texture? We are ahead of his 4-bet bluffs but unsure if it will go check check to the showdown.

Microgaming - €2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €203.00 (VPIP: 27.66, PFR: 21.72, 3Bet Preflop: 9.32, Hands: 705)
SB: €88.71 (VPIP: 50.63, PFR: 31.65, 3Bet Preflop: 6.60, Hands: 742)
Hero (BB): €216.90

SB posts SB €1.00, Hero posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has A Q

BTN raises to €4.00, fold, Hero raises to €16.00, BTN raises to €34.00, Hero calls €18.00

Flop: (€69.00, 2 players) 4 J 4
Hero checks, BTN bets €34.00, Hero calls €34.00

Turn: (€137.00, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets €135.00 and is all-in, fold
02-25-2015 , 07:49 AM
wp
02-25-2015 , 08:03 AM
Don't like a call here OOP, I am shoving this most of the time against this particalur V.

Flop call is questionalble, as played I am folding or CR.

If we were in position I think the line you take is fine....
02-25-2015 , 08:32 AM
nothing interesting here (no offence op, you are good : )

Last edited by WithnoSenSe; 02-25-2015 at 08:33 AM. Reason: his cbet size bit big though
02-25-2015 , 08:41 AM
Do not shove over a 17bb 4bet with any hand, particularly not with AQs.
02-25-2015 , 08:46 AM
min 5 bet?^
02-25-2015 , 08:51 AM
yeah, but not with AQs

We should also call the 4bet with some combos of AA so our range is less suited broadways heavy. If villain tries to take advantage of our seemingly capped range, we will get very good value out of AA by calling instead of 5betting.
02-25-2015 , 08:53 AM
Villain has a high 4-bet?
What is it?
02-25-2015 , 08:56 AM
I'm almost always calling here. If villain has 0% 4bet over like 1.5k hands, then I'd consider folding.
02-25-2015 , 08:56 AM
Forever, tell me size which you would choose with your bluff 5 bet range(and value obv)
02-25-2015 , 09:05 AM
Something like 62$ but I have no clue what size is best. We can't go too big or we will be commited with our bluffs and we can't go too small because we still want some FE preflop.

Maybe 62 is a little too small, idk.
02-25-2015 , 09:08 AM
would people tend to 5bet AQo more likely?
02-25-2015 , 09:11 AM
^ I guess it can't be too bad oop, especially if villain is flatting 5bets

My default would be to call though
02-25-2015 , 02:08 PM
Not a big fan of the call on the flop. Your backdoor flush has no equity beyond its odds of hitting and if your up against a hand like AK theres a good chance they will continue again on the turn and your folding turn. Also your blocking an ace making pocket pairs more likely. I think you can be flattign 4-bets with non-ace suited connectors like JTs 67s and stuff to make plays when your not blocking some of the key hands that he could be bluffing with. AQ is kinda in the middle - your not even a bluffing AK unless you raise- so i think i'm folding here.

All in all tho i'm approaching this thread being nit picky over a potentially very small equity difference, so when i say I like a fold on the flop I think your line is good as well, just difference in play styles and balancing ranges.

a min-5bet is also fine a lot of this depends on what type of player u are
02-25-2015 , 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Position
Villain has a high 4-bet?
What is it?
4-bet ratio 4.0
+ we're 3-handed
02-25-2015 , 02:32 PM
what is "4-bet ratio" ?
02-25-2015 , 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
what is "4-bet ratio" ?
I will coach you for $200/HR it comes up in our fourth session.
02-25-2015 , 02:54 PM
how long is a session? (I need to start saving)
02-25-2015 , 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSamasaurus
I will coach you for $200/HR it comes up in our fortieth hour.
fyp
02-25-2015 , 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
what is "4-bet ratio" ?
http://www.pokercollectif.com/en/Str...iliser-en.html

"HoldEm Manager planned a statistic that already does this calculation for you. : the '4bet range' (called 4 - bet ratio on PokerTracker)"

"since the release of HM2, they changed the calculation to take into account only the "raise first in%" rather than "PFR%". The calculation '4 - bet range' is therefore the following: "raise first in% * 4bet %. "
02-25-2015 , 04:37 PM
4bet range I understand.

I can't see why you would want to call it 4bet ratio though, it's a multiplication, not a division. I guess we can divide pfr% by 1/4bet%..

Nevermind that, a 4bet range of 4 is less than AK,QQ+/bluffs. I wouldn't call it a wide 4bet range and anyway, it most likely didn't converge in 700 hands.
02-25-2015 , 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
I'm almost always calling here. If villain has 0% 4bet over like 1.5k hands, then I'd consider folding.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Something like 62$ but I have no clue what size is best. We can't go too big or we will be commited with our bluffs and we can't go too small because we still want some FE preflop.

Maybe 62 is a little too small, idk.
Calling is good, also flatting some AA is also good.

5bsizing to just under 1/3 our stack is what I would do, which is around 62. This capitalizes on FE without giving us pot odds to call a jam
02-25-2015 , 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Nevermind that, a 4bet range of 4 is less than AK,QQ+/bluffs. I wouldn't call it a wide 4bet range and anyway, it most likely didn't converge in 700 hands.
The 4bet range number might be for 6 handed while it is 3-handed now which could alter the range calculations a little bit?
02-25-2015 , 06:51 PM
Not sure what your point is but you're supposed to 4bet wider 3-handed
02-25-2015 , 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Not sure what your point is but you're supposed to 4bet wider 3-handed
I was trying to say that villian could be 4betting wider in this hand which is 3-handed than his 4bet ratio stats would otherwise indicate.

      
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