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200NL AKo 3bet pot V Reg 200NL AKo 3bet pot V Reg

10-04-2015 , 02:13 AM
    Pacific, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
    2 folds, CO raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $16, CO calls $12

    Flop: ($33) 6 6 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $16.50, CO calls $16.50

    Turn: ($66) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $39, CO calls $39

    River: ($144) A (2 players)
    Hero??????



    Eff stacks 100bb.


    Villain is fairly straight-forward tight regular playing 21/17. Fold to 3bet 65%. Fold flop and turn 3bet pot around 50%. What's the river plan? Hero's image is laggy pre 26/19 with an 8% 3bet, fairly passive postflop.
    10-04-2015 , 03:48 AM
    Check the flop... What better hands are folding to cbet? We block the NF draw, someone you believe to be a tight reg with too high of a fold to 3bet probably doesn't have much 87s here, so what worse hands are calling (besides some Ax that have to call one street, making our cbet an extremely thin value bet)? Best case scenario is we get floated by some random broadway hand... but then if we fire 2 barrels we often get raised, or called again forcing us to c/f river. Probably bet/folding river. Tight villain shouldn't have many flush combos with Ks on board and us holding As. Villain can probably find a call with Kx, and definitely calling us with with any possible Ax he has here.
    10-04-2015 , 05:45 AM
    Can bet or check flop, doesn't really matter. I'd probably check-call but betting isn't terrible.

    As played seems like a pretty easy shove OTR.
    10-04-2015 , 11:23 AM
    Given the flush completes on the turn and the board is pretty scary on top of the fact that hero is pretty passive postflop,what exactly do we expect him to hero us with. Think it's too optimistic to assume TTs calls the river, but might bluff when chkd to

    As gross as it is I think otr we have a bluff catcher not a value hand

    We also block reasonable KQdd and KJdd that make up some of his reasonable floats

    Last edited by pokerarb; 10-04-2015 at 11:30 AM.
    10-04-2015 , 12:00 PM
    I think flop cbet is fine...as played id jam river

    thoughts on x/c turn?
    10-04-2015 , 12:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TTTTTTTTWO
    I think flop cbet is fine...as played id jam river

    thoughts on x/c turn?

    lol I know you'd be emptying the clip. With your image it's probably better but I still think it's somewhat hard to get called by worse when you jam river.

    I dislike turn c/c since it's the nut bluff card and some people are going to think a db is often fos here. In some ways a check/call looks stronger than a bet (looks like a ton of jj qq type stuff maybe even some aks or AsAx). Think some people float once when it's so obviously a great bluff card
    10-04-2015 , 10:37 PM
    given board runout,
    we got 2 street max vs most of villain continue range.

    unless villain is peeling twice with AQ, I don't really see worse that would call your jam on the river.
    vs a straightforward type, I'd more incline to c/c turn
    10-05-2015 , 11:00 PM
    Pretty perfect runout to 3 barrel our entire range. Wouldn't over think it, villains in a ****ty spot with his entire range unless he's shown a tendency to slow plays KK+pre but we have all those sweet blockers
    10-05-2015 , 11:34 PM
    Have seem this v slow play aa and kk pre to 3bs IP

    While I think tripling your entire range will generate tons of folds I'm not sure it's the best way to play.
    10-06-2015 , 11:06 AM
    Villian will fold the river a lot, I think turn and flop is debatable so I won't get into that.

    As played unless villian is a massive station I think we can c/c river maybe he turns some hands into bluffs. It's nice to have a hand that can c/c this runout.
    10-06-2015 , 03:41 PM
    Check call river, Its good to have a Calling range here, u likely have the best hand here and u give him chances to bet AQ and bluffs.
    10-06-2015 , 06:01 PM
    Having blockers to a big portion of the flop calling range and the K peeling on the turn blocking even more of the flop calling range I very much doubt you can get value from worser hands (mid pocket pairs 88,TT etc.) against a straightforward villian.

    I'd c/c the river, and c/c the turn on this runout.
    10-06-2015 , 10:27 PM
    Why dont we check call AsX and shove this for value? I don't see villain folds a lot of aces if they get to the river like this
    10-07-2015 , 01:44 AM
    So results.

    I did the old switcharoo bc I thought it was a super interesting spot from his perspective. I'm actually the Co in this hand.

    Anyways, he shoved his AK and I called with 67cc which is obviously pretty high up in my range. I can definitely have some aa and kk in his spot but given that villain isn't particularly barrelly I might just raise a cbet with kk or aa especially without a backdoor flush draw.

    Again I think he's in a super hard spot because I fold a fair amount to pressure. But I'm also capable of turning things into a bluff to fold out what might look like a qq/jj type hand otr (although I don't think this particular villain double barrels qq here)

    Ty all for input so far
    10-07-2015 , 09:55 AM
    Sick call with the 7 high.
    10-07-2015 , 10:42 AM
    Flop I like the bet OOP IP think x/b may be the better play.
    Turn is always a dub IMO as we are always bluffing this card so we should defiantly by V betting.
    River is a bet IMO just because we are rarely beat and I like to put people in tough spots wear they may make a mistake and call too light. but i like a smallish bet in the 70-80 range rather than a shove for a few reasons.
    1. He doesn't have too much that can call here so i want to give him the best chance to call.
    2. don't think he has may hands he needs to bluff here especially since we have the As so don't think x/c gets us much value.
    3. Since we can have AA or KK or even 99 here think he will probably just call river, especially since he can't have the nut flush. Since we have to x/c think we save some money when he has a flush as he probably would bet more than 70-80 if checked to.
    10-07-2015 , 11:54 AM
    i think its a pretty trivial turn check, and flop is debatable

    as played obviously check
    10-10-2015 , 06:21 AM
    He's hardly ever got a flush with you holding the ace and the K being on the board.

    Surely it's not too optimistic to think top 2 pair in a 3bet pot when we're blocking the nuts is a value shove? Can get called by AxQs, maybe AxJs, A9s.

    In addition, isn't this a board we're going to want to bluff at a fair bit to put him in a crappy spot with a large portion of his range? If so you have to jam stuff like this to balance out your bluffs.
    10-10-2015 , 12:08 PM
    In theory yes if you're bluffing a lot you want to value bet thinly.

    In the real world though especially with a not so bluffy image I don't think you can rip this in for the sake of balance. You can probably overbluff here without getting all that punished
    10-11-2015 , 12:11 AM
    probs betting flop 100% of the time here 1/3 pot

    protection/value etc
    10-11-2015 , 04:28 AM
    As played I like a river bet.
    10-12-2015 , 06:01 AM
    Why are people misunderstanding the 'if I'm bluffing here alot then I need to value bet here alot' concept. Youre still going to want a frequency of checks that includes hands that give up, have marginal value and hence some that are very strong with specific blockers. You barrel this in and you better have a very strong read he calls far too deep into his range otherwise its just giving money away
    10-12-2015 , 09:16 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr Blonde
    Why are people misunderstanding the 'if I'm bluffing here alot then I need to value bet here alot' concept. Youre still going to want a frequency of checks that includes hands that give up, have marginal value and hence some that are very strong with specific blockers. You barrel this in and you better have a very strong read he calls far too deep into his range otherwise its just giving money away

    I like this post a lot. AK with flush blockers seems like the best c/c candidate if we think villain can bluff or go razor thin when checked to

          
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