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07-30-2014 , 08:26 PM

thenextlevel1

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Villain is playing 54/14 over 220 hands. Do you barrel here as he will be calling flop with a wide range and we pick up equity? If we barrel how much and how are we going to react to shove?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

MP: $202 (101 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $255.02 (127.5 bb)
SB: $389.16 (194.6 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

3 folds, BTN raises to $5, SB folds, Hero raises to $20, BTN calls $15

Flop: ($41) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $25, BTN calls $25

Turn: ($91) T

(2 players)

07-31-2014 , 08:44 AM

just_grindin

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Ehh he calls pretty wide preflop it may mean he doesn't have much of a fold button.

Any stats on fold to cbet? I mean I don't hate it as I think we can barell any diamond, J, maybe A or K for value. Possibly a Q if he can't hand read.

I think the flop cbet is just a tad too big for this flop. I'm betting an amount on the turn that allows me to maximize fold equity on the river while not inducing. $40-45 maybe? Should leave $110ish on the river into $170-180ish.

Really going to depend if villain has a fold button.

07-31-2014 , 09:06 AM

birdseed

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Barreling off against someone you have no reads on that clearly loves calling probably isnt the best idea. That being said, a club turn is probably the better part of your range to do this with

07-31-2014 , 09:08 AM

TWhelan

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Flop bet is a tad too thin imo

07-31-2014 , 09:53 AM

just_grindin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TWhelan

Flop bet is a tad too thin imo

+1 thought I was being nitty so didn't post.

07-31-2014 , 10:02 AM

Giannako91

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I agree with cbet on flop (dry board,HUpot) but i would bet less(40-50% pot).As played I would barrel on this turn.Maybe c/s if I had more specific stats about villain.

07-31-2014 , 12:58 PM

Jewrilla

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c/r flop gets way more folds from this guy after PF action(with plan of Jamming some clubs and Ks OTT). I'd be careful with a turned Ace as it make him 2p sometimes.

07-31-2014 , 01:13 PM

just_grindin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewrilla

c/r flop gets way more folds from this guy after PF action(with plan of Jamming some clubs and Ks OTT). I'd be careful with a turned Ace as it make him 2p sometimes.

I disagree. First villain is loose preflop but we don't know anything about his postflop tendencies. Maybe he never bets when checked to without a Q.

Second you have no idea if he's going to fold any pair once he bets it.

Third A or K could easily give villain 2 pair with pretty equal probability i would say (that doesn't mean I wouldn't bet them both).

07-31-2014 , 01:23 PM

thenextlevel1

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I should of noted that villain called down with 2nd pair to river on A823 board a while before this hand and binked 8 when I went for value on river with AK. He then checked called with 8To. I am leaning towards just checking and giving up, but I somewhat thought he would fold most 6's, 77,88,99.

07-31-2014 , 01:32 PM

#10

Jewrilla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by just_grindin

I'm not feeling bad if flop checks through. maybe he hits a 2nd best hand with us on future streets. I still think Ax hands are more likely than Kx. I don't know frequency OTF, but I feel he can easily call down mid pairs vs standard C-bet looking lines. where as 3-bet pre, c/r flop folds out mid pairs way more.

07-31-2014 , 01:34 PM

#11

just_grindin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewrilla

Yea I don't care if the flop checks through either what I'm saying is villain may be so passive that he only bets when checked to with a much stronger range than you expect, so c/r may be lighting money on fire (we don't really know).

07-31-2014 , 01:35 PM

#12

thenextlevel1

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The problem I have with checking the flop is what is my plan? I am going to check call flop and fold to most turns that don't improve my hand? I just find it very hard for me to check call this hand down OOP 2 or 3 street with AK.

07-31-2014 , 01:43 PM

#13

just_grindin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenextlevel1

X/give up. Maybe bet certain runouts for value if villain calls A/K high and things check through on the flop. That's still probably not good as he may check back a lot of hands here that are ahead of you just looking to get to showdown.

I mean this villain is calling flop/turn with 6x, 77-JJ, Qx, etc. which is perfect when you're value betting but garbage when you're bluffing.

Even with an A on the flop in the hand you shared he called 2 streets with T8o. Surprised you even bothered cbetting this hand here.

07-31-2014 , 02:01 PM

#14

Jewrilla

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Quote:

Originally Posted by just_grindin

what I'm saying is villain may be so passive that he only bets when checked to with a much stronger range than you expect, so c/r may be lighting money on fire (we don't really know).

Fair enough, probably true.

with the hand history you provided later, I agree c/fold unless his bet is very small is prob best (despite feeling disgusting).

Hero really needs to observe what kinds of hands he's betting for a better plan in future hands.

07-31-2014 , 03:37 PM

#15

thenextlevel1

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So in a 3 bet pot against this villain we only c bet if we hit an A or K and maybe TJ, TQ and QJ? In hand in where he called two street he had 2nd pair. 6's, 77,88,99 become 3rd pair on the turn in this hand.

07-31-2014 , 03:42 PM

#16

Jewrilla

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what's the point if he never folds? just clam up and value bet, and you can still bet boards like (6 3 3) for value etc.

07-31-2014 , 05:26 PM

#17

just_grindin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenextlevel1

Isolate hime more and value bet thin. Easy game.

07-31-2014 , 06:14 PM

#18

pokerfunAK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by just_grindin

+1

Looks like fold equity is zero against this villian. You shouldn't be cbetting with Ace high. Wait for better spots.

07-31-2014 , 06:56 PM

#19

thenextlevel1

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The reason why I cbet the flop was because I thought checking would allow him to bet with weaker aces and other garbage that if I called the flop he would keep betting with nothing.

07-31-2014 , 07:36 PM

#20

birdseed

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If villain does this, firing again seems like some serious dumping. You should bet a little less on the flop too, and just give up UI

07-31-2014 , 08:02 PM

#21

dodgybob

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x/c flop and x/f turn unimproved

x/r flop is awful

07-31-2014 , 08:09 PM

#22

piepounder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewrilla

c/r flop gets way more folds from this guy after PF action(with plan of Jamming some clubs and Ks OTT). I'd be careful with a turned Ace as it make him 2p sometimes.

ooooh i find fish insta call cr then fold to the barrel....I dont want to commit to such a plan. fish will make the mistake of not value betting...lets let him make that mistake and check

this board cant get ugly enough for fish to fold tp n flop...so barreling is out of the question

id bet less than 1/2 pot here if i was betting

07-31-2014 , 08:31 PM

#23

Mr Blonde

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check flop

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