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Old 02-04-2012, 03:44 PM   #1
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[150 nl] Weak tp in 3b pot, get c/r

Villain is 26/19, 63% F 3b in 733 hands. I had been a good boy at the table only 3betting once that far in 71 hands (4%). What makes it interesting is that he has a flop raise of 17%

BB: €150.00
UTG: €248.90
Hero (BTN): €166.90
SB: €59.97

SB posts SB €0.75, BB posts BB €1.50

Pre Flop: (€2.25) Hero has T Q

UTG raises to €4.50, Hero raises to €13.50, fold, fold, UTG calls €9.00

Flop: (€29.25, 2 players) 9 T 6
UTG checks, Hero bets €13.68, UTG raises to €34.50, Hero
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:14 PM   #2
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Re: [150 nl] Weak tp in 3b pot, get c/r

Im calling and proceed cautiosly, I dont think you can fold to a rather high flop raise % and he doesnt seem like a good player with his 26/19. looks very typical like a weak TP.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:49 AM   #3
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3betting this hand is pretty terrible imo since he's in CO (has a really wide range) and you're in position which makes it an easy flat. The fact that you posted this hand should make my point clear since you don't know what to do on the flop.
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:18 AM   #4
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Re: [150 nl] Weak tp in 3b pot, get c/r

whats his 4bet%?

i would probably just check behind this flop, especially when hes c/r-ing a lot and you obviously dont know what to do when he does it here.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:49 AM   #5
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Re: [150 nl] Weak tp in 3b pot, get c/r

If someone posts a hand you don't have to always assume they have no clue what to do. Maybe they're not sure, or they want to check if their thinking was right. Furthermore, even if you don't know, if you just avoid a certain spot you're never going to learn how to play it best.

I think it's too simplistic to always 3bet or always flat certain hands. He has a high enough fold % to 3bets, is oop my image was tight so the hand should show an immediate profit

I'd still like some opinions, if you call his raise what do you do on the turn if he barrels?
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:34 AM   #6
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Well I would personally fold this dominated hand preflop, no matter how often he flats we are never good and RIO mess up our profitablility when we do get called imo. This is a very marginal spot that is hard to navigate, why put yourself in these spots?
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:58 AM   #7
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@OP: How often you 3-bet at that table does not matter if you have played with him before. You stats might not be showing a 4% 3-bet in his HUD.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:02 AM   #8
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Re: [150 nl] Weak tp in 3b pot, get c/r

I am okay with the 3bet here, however I like to make it little less than 3x when IP. Post-flop I would check this behind and call/vbet the turn depending on the card and action.

What's ur cbet % and total 3b? (I don't think the fact that you've had 3bet 4% on that table is a useful information for us since you have much bigger history with him)

Depending on ur answer to those questions I would choose either folding rightaway (if ur total 3bet and cbet% are relatively small ) or calling the flop with the intention of folding on vast majority of turns - there are not many draws we can expect he will be barreling so if he is ch/r the flop as a bluff, he is not going to bet the turn often.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:05 AM   #9
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Btw, on which site/network they offer NL150 tables? I know a lot of sites and I have never ever heard about that.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:13 PM   #10
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I am okay with the 3bet here, however I like to make it little less than 3x when IP. Post-flop I would check this behind and call/vbet the turn depending on the card and action.

What's ur cbet % and total 3b? (I don't think the fact that you've had 3bet 4% on that table is a useful information for us since you have much bigger history with him)

Depending on ur answer to those questions I would choose either folding rightaway (if ur total 3bet and cbet% are relatively small ) or calling the flop with the intention of folding on vast majority of turns - there are not many draws we can expect he will be barreling so if he is ch/r the flop as a bluff, he is not going to bet the turn often.
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Btw, on which site/network they offer NL150 tables? I know a lot of sites and I have never ever heard about that.
My 3bet is around 10% on average, can't find the cbet in pt3 because it's gay sometimes and don't have time to fiddle with reports etc. now.

nl150 on enet.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:41 PM   #11
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Re: [150 nl] Weak tp in 3b pot, get c/r

Terrible advice so far imo!

It's a good hand to 3b vs a CO open as it can't be flatted profitably but is towards the top of your folding range.

Cbet is essential. I'd call his flop raise in position but would fold oop. On turn if he barrels I'd fold. If he checks I'd check back.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:28 PM   #12
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Cbet is essential.
Why?
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:32 PM   #13
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Why is cbetting essential?
I can't rly decide if checking or betting is best, but im probably calling it off now, it's too likely he has some sort of str8 draw/overcards.

Pre-flop's fine btw.
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Terrible advice so far imo!

It's a good hand to 3b vs a CO open as it can't be flatted profitably but is towards the top of your folding range.

Cbet is essential. I'd call his flop raise in position but would fold oop. On turn if he barrels I'd fold. If he checks I'd check back.
solid advice, NH op, opponent is raising like AJs with backdoor draws, JQ, air sometimes... his range is wide and he probably knows that you think this board hit his range.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:28 AM   #15
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Terrible advice so far imo!

It's a good hand to 3b vs a CO open as it can't be flatted profitably but is towards the top of your folding range.

Cbet is essential. I'd call his flop raise in position but would fold oop. On turn if he barrels I'd fold. If he checks I'd check back.
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Why is cbetting essential?
I can't rly decide if checking or betting is best, but im probably calling it off now, it's too likely he has some sort of str8 draw/overcards.

Pre-flop's fine btw.
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solid advice, NH op, opponent is raising like AJs with backdoor draws, JQ, air sometimes... his range is wide and he probably knows that you think this board hit his range.
Thanks guys, yeah I was wondering with all the fold/call pre now it feels better. I did exactly this, called thinking he's gonna have QJs, 88, KJ, KQ, maybe those AJ-AQ as well. Of course sets are there too. Don't really see 2 pairs in his range not even T9s - or maybe it is with a low frequency.

So I called and he barreled turn, and I did fold, but now thinking if he's a good player he's gonna double barrel those draws right? Does he do it enough to call a second barrel or his frequency doing it is just too low to call turn profitably
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