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Old 05-30-2012, 03:40 PM   #1
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100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

Villain is unknown (this is my first hand at the table) but I have him tagged as a reg and he's playing 4 tables

Going into c/c mode sucks so I cbet, then his flop raise makes no real sense as he probably 4bets AK pre and doesn't raise AQ otf (which I have 2 blockers to anyway) so I flat... iffy spot on later streets I know

On the turn his FDs get there and I don't expect him to barrel an Ace so I fold... felt kinda meh about the whole hand tbh so looking for comments on all streets

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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    SB: $37.50 (37.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $100 (100 bb)
    MP: $110.37 (110.4 bb)
    CO: $41.25 (41.3 bb)
    BTN: $128.74 (128.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
    MP raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10, MP calls $7

    Flop: ($20.50) 7 6 A (2 players)
    Hero bets $11, MP raises to $24, Hero calls $13

    Turn: ($68.50) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $38, Hero folds

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    Old 05-30-2012, 06:56 PM   #2
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    I'd bet bigger on the flop to try to avoid this.

    As played, I think it's a fold on the flop and turn.
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    Old 05-30-2012, 06:59 PM   #3
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    I dont get his small flop raise then big(ish) turn bet. we will have $28 behind in a $144.5 pot come river when call.

    I kind of want to call down as we have the Qs blocker, less combo of AQ and like you say AK gets it in pre. Hard to assume much without any stats/reads though.
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    His line is FOS and I call down.
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    Old 05-31-2012, 03:43 AM   #5
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    I play it the same way and wouldn't have a great feeling about it either
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    Old 05-31-2012, 05:37 AM   #6
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    Before you decide to call the reraised flop you must also decide you're going to call his aggression on the turn, especially since you check to him and he has position (and the A flip makes it even less likely he has another AND the flush draw) Kind of a noob play imo. Preflop play is fine. Flop I may have bet around $13.50 and called his reraise. Turn I would have checked call and if river is a spade I push.
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    Old 05-31-2012, 05:47 AM   #7
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    I don't think if you're going to flat this flop (which I like) that you should fold turn. Villain's basically UTG though, so I don't think we can completely rule out them flatting AK, so don't hate a flop fold either.
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    Old 05-31-2012, 06:05 AM   #8
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

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    I dont get his small flop raise then big(ish) turn bet. we will have $28 behind in a $144.5 pot come river when call.

    I kind of want to call down as we have the Qs blocker, less combo of AQ and like you say AK gets it in pre. Hard to assume much without any stats/reads though.
    why are we assuming that AK always gets it in pre with no history
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    Old 05-31-2012, 06:07 AM   #9
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    This is a tough spot. What makes it hard is that FD on flop. I think your flop cbet sizing is fine considering this is a 3bet pot. That small raise on flop is interesting. I guess it's more likely for a value than semi bluff(FD for instance) in a spot like this. If he is smart enough to understand that KK and QQ will give action then it's a fold.

    So I would bet/fold flop here. The reason being once called the rest is just guessing game and you are oop and you are not gonna know what the hell is going on especially on later street.
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    Old 05-31-2012, 09:09 AM   #10
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

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    why are we assuming that AK always gets it in pre with no history
    its a blanket statement I make on unknown regs at 50nl>.
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    Old 05-31-2012, 01:34 PM   #11
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    well its a stupid statement imo, its prob more applicable to less than 50nl as they think AK is the nuts without thinking about positions

    i just fold flop as i dont like to add imaginary FD's into people range when they are unknown and all we know of them is that they are "reggy". I also see very little people turning PP's into a bluff on the flop. Also dont see many people getting fancy on Ahi flops against unknowns, of course these are all generalisations, but were playing against an unknown reg so you have to generalise

    edit: and yes i know villain has pretty little value range here its just i really dont like guessin OOP with no real plan of what cards to fold on/what betsize we fold to (thats if we ever fold to a betsize)

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    Old 05-31-2012, 07:06 PM   #12
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    Without a read that the guy is capable or being FOS on these flops in 3bets pots, then i am just folding. Sure he is raising small but my concern is that it's likely i need to call down 3 sts to find out WTF he is doing. I just don't see much upside here and muck it.

    As far as making it bigger OTF, i pretty much cbet around 1/2p on tons of flops regardless of my hand, so i see no problem with it.
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    Bad regs play their sets like this. Easy fold imo. Nobody bluffs like this.
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    Old 05-31-2012, 07:26 PM   #14
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

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    Bad regs play their sets like this. Easy fold imo. Nobody bluffs like this.
    if villains get hero to call down with Q's in this spot then they are hardly "bad" given how majority of people will c/f on turn or something
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    Re: 100NL - Weird spot in 3b pot

    Bad regs also try to fold out all non-A hands with the raise. That's why I think it's an easy call.
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