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100nl, weak two pair BvB deep. 100nl, weak two pair BvB deep.

07-12-2014 , 06:45 AM
Villain reg 25\19, 3b 6.2, RFI BTN 53%, cbet flop 69%, cbet\fold flop 55. I really total lost with my plan here esp deep, on the flop i dont think me ch\c here cuz i will be in super bad situation on lots of runouts. After ch\r and him making raise on turn, im not sure how to play. Looking on the board which value hands he can raise here? TT\66\44\JJ. This is only 8 hands, and i got 24% to call on turn . But on the other side i will be facing very hard decision on river. How u play?


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2537420
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Hero (BB): $197.59
UTG: $146.85
MP: $344.04
CO: $101.50
BTN: $180.93
SB: $141.94

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4 T
3 folds, BTN raises to $2.03, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.03

Flop: ($4.56) T 6 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero raises to $11, BTN calls $8

Turn: ($26.56) J (2 players)
Hero bets $18, BTN raises to $48, Hero
07-12-2014 , 01:36 PM
Obligatory "fold pre" applies here. No reason to defend 4Ts.

As played, very tricky spot. His range here is very wide {KQ, JsXs/JhXh, TsXs/ThXh, JT, XsXs, XhXh}. I think he checks back river with his Jx hands that missed the draw. He may or may not check back his Tx missed draws on river. He may even check back JT on river if a spade or heart falls.

I think I call turn and reevaluate on river but its close.
07-12-2014 , 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skeetm0n
Obligatory "fold pre" applies here. No reason to defend 4Ts.
and why's that, looks like a pretty standard defend
07-12-2014 , 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoseMourinho
and why's that, looks like a pretty standard defend
Are you being serious? Even a loose BB defend range begins at something like 98s or so.
07-12-2014 , 07:28 PM
easy fold pre
07-16-2014 , 04:38 AM
fold pre, and being deep doesn't make it better
07-16-2014 , 08:54 AM
Pre is fine imo

Turn is annoying but I would call and see a river probably
07-16-2014 , 10:34 AM
I also think pre is fine. It's suited... Kind of standart really.

I'm not to sure about hero's x/r here. I might prefer x/c, would be nice if someone could give some arguments for one or the other.
07-16-2014 , 12:46 PM
Standard call pre, suited are the nuts. As played I'd call turn and call brick river readless, we are repping a polarized range here OTT, so folding the value part of that range is meh.
07-16-2014 , 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fast11375
Standard call pre, suited are the nuts. As played I'd call turn and call brick river readless, we are repping a polarized range here OTT, so folding the value part of that range is meh.
Repping a polarised range and wanting to bluffcatch in a spot where he is probably bluffing less than optimal is probably a bad combo, DUCY ?
07-16-2014 , 08:30 PM
Pre is meh, not hatin calling.

His turn raise makes not a lot of sense vs our polarized range, like beHypE said I dont think ppl will bluff here enough for us to call. I would say its almost always value raise, fold and thank him for saving money.
07-16-2014 , 10:00 PM
Pre seems like a standard call at fixed limit, but at NL I'm not stoaked to be defending what is the bottom of the reg's opening range otb.

As far as the flop goes I think the c/r is fine. Seems like a safe flop for villain to cbet a large portion of his range and if you'll want to try to exploit his wide range on the flop by c/r some of the time with semibluffs/air. Adding all of your sets and some over pairs slowplaued preflop will balance your semibluffs and maybe some gutters/air. Since you actually do show up here with 2p I think it's fine to add it to your c/r range.

As far as the turn goes it's really an odd turn card to bluff raise. Villain is repping sets and JT. Bluffs could be Ahxh, KhQx, KhQh, 78s, 57s. His bet sizing is concerning as it sets up the river for a potsized shove. As played I would just probably fold the turn here. I expect villain to follow through with a river shove and I don't think we can expect to have the >33% equity we'll need on the river to make a profitable call.
07-18-2014 , 11:20 PM
we're repping a polarized range and vill is still raising us, after absorbing a c/raise on the flop. He's not bluffing here pretty much ever and shouldn't be raising hands that we beat. I'm folding.
07-19-2014 , 04:23 AM
pre is standard wtf lol

just make an explo turn fold because nobody bluffs like this

not to mention if you consider your entire turn range you can bet/call a bunch of hands here without worrying about T4s anyway, and only lose out slightly range wise on some rivers
07-19-2014 , 08:03 AM
Can anyone give me a good argumemt for defending this hand here? The only one I can come up with is that it's a minraise from the button.

If I look in equilab I need to go down to 56% of hands to include T4s in a range. Villain only opens 53% from the button so even giving some consideration that his range construction excludes some hands that dominate us and villain mau open slightly wider sometimes, we're still pretty much deadnuts bottom of villain's opening range and villain will have position on us for the rest of the hand. Seems like a freaking terrible defend here.

The only reason I imagine it works in fixed limit is that I'd expect villain's button open range to be much wider in fixed and our expected return vs loss is much better given aggression in fixed limit.
07-19-2014 , 08:37 AM
pot odds
07-19-2014 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Blonde
pot odds
Level? I mean showdown equity is barely the tip of the iceberg when making preflop decisions.

      
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