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Probably would have folded river if the board didn't pair but after the second 9 you're only losing to AK AJ ruling out sets.

I'd bet turn like I said.

Given the way he slow played his top two, I don't think he raises turn but if he does raise, then I fold.

River is check/fold for me.

Ship to shore: all people would play their whole range like villain did with AJ nowadays. Except you maybe - you would overship flop. Because they call you the Jens Jeremies of modern poker.

Isn't it funny that we have to x/fold turn if our flop c-bet gets called?

Agree with x/f turn as played. Probably checking flop.

The problem with checking flop is, that the awkwardness of our situation doesn't get better. I'd say, even worse.
Unless, of course, you have a well-balanced x/c flop strategy which most of us don't have, except this MSNL superscorer. But then again, he plays MSNL.

Our problem is not that villains ranges are too strong in gerneral. Problem is that their flop-calling ranges are too strong.

Disagree. Some ppl (including me) would coldcall Axs there, because of the two fish. So they don't, can't instamuck this flop.
OTOH, agains two regs, I'd still bet, because it's so tough to play a hand OOP vs a reg in x/c mode OOP 3way.
And he would find that it's tough to play complete air against 2 rather tough opponents in a sandwich, so btn is less inclined to float wide. So, it kind of equalizes.

Both villains are regulars.

Sure can they have worse Ax in their ranges. Who sais that we have to start value-betting on flop against these hands? We don't have more than one or maybe two streets of value against worse Axs hands.

Yes, but if you start x/c'ing here, what's your overall plan?

bet much bigger otf

My turn and river play depends on feel, sizing, timing and things I've seen before. I agree that turn/river can become tough to play when we start by x/calling.

BT already checked flop. When BB bets flop after our check and BT calls, my plan would be to also call this one bet and give up ott if BB bets again. I doubt BB will continue bluffing or v-betting worse ott if his flop bet was called by two players. If BB bets and BT folds, I'd call another bet ott most of the time and probably fold otr (dependend on feel/sizing/timing/history though). I played almost 300k hands NL100 on pokerstars this year and as far as I remember, when people put in 3 bets if checked to in spots like this one, they had the nuts 100% of the time.

Most of the time, BT will check behind flop though ...

What's the purpose of betting bigger? Is there any or do you just always want to bet 3/4 pot otf?

OMG, will you stfu already?

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about......

Dummkopf

bet turn check river is better than check turn bet river

Thanks for replys.

I don't think it would be too difficult to balance a c/c range here, with AQ at the top of it, considering we have a bunch of 2nd pair type hands we can fold on later streets.
Though our betting range would become very very weak. Idk how often you guys cbet bluff here..