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Old 06-13-2012, 07:27 PM   #1
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100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

UT is extremely loose rec player who nearly always calls after limping and will stack off very light pre-flop.
BT is 18/15 over 1.7k hands with 59% WWSF. He seems very aggro post, he check-raised me with 22 on AK4ss and bet 1/2pot on 8 turn and we checked T river.
BB is a new reg.

BT's range doesn't include much worse that can call imo, some ATs/A5s/A4s/A2s(8combos), and he probably calls AK pre, so 44 TT AJ AK A4s(22combos) that beat me i guess. I suppose my range can include a decent amount of bluffs though considering i raise QTo pre.

What would you do here?


$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

UTG: $221.36 (221.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $272.49 (272.5 bb)
CO: $106.56 (106.6 bb)
BTN: $122.42 (122.4 bb)
SB: $150.17 (150.2 bb)
BB: $104.58 (104.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A Q
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, CO folds, BTN calls $5, SB folds, BB calls $4, UTG folds

Flop: ($16.50) A 3 J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10, BB folds

Turn: ($36.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero?

River: ($56.50) 9 (2 players)
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:35 PM   #2
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

I don't think aggro 18/15 cold calls all those Ax small suited pre.

turn seems like a bet/fold or x/fold or x/c x/f depending on if your pf ranges are correct and how 'sticky' he can be post
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:40 PM   #3
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

if hes anyway thinking at all his calling range pre should be wider since the rec player is so loose so there may be weaker suited aces in his range and maybe hands like KJs and QJs that he floats flop with to see if you give up on turn.

i would bet/fold like half pot

interested in other opinions though
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:05 PM   #4
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

I c/c turn. If he checks behind I bet river.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:21 PM   #5
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

Bet da turn yo. He can have like loads of suited aces and stuff.
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:01 AM   #6
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

I'd bet turn and see what he does.

May be show us the action on later streets with more detail?
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

Pretty easy x/f IMO, since BTN, as you described him, is rarely coldcalling AJ here - and even if, he wouldn't always bet worse than your hand on such a dry turn.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:39 AM   #8
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

I think I'd bet the turn for thin value/ get rid of his potential floats and check/fold river as I don't expect him to double float or valuebet worse.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:58 AM   #9
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

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I think I'd bet the turn for thin value/ get rid of his potential floats and check/fold river as I don't expect him to double float or valuebet worse.
Definitely the line. We rep a huge hand well so he can't exploit and we can just win the pot when we have the best hand (which is probably often). Shut down if he continues.
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Old 06-14-2012, 05:42 AM   #10
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

Thnx for replying all.

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Pretty easy x/f IMO, since BTN, as you described him, is rarely coldcalling AJ here - and even if, he wouldn't always bet worse than your hand on such a dry turn.
What do you mean about AJ?
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:20 AM   #11
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c/f turn, bet river if he checks.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:46 PM   #12
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

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What do you mean about AJ?
AJ is probably the bottom of his range with 18/15 - if he feels loosish.
Since he feels that, most ppl wouldn't necessarily bet the turn with this, because they see no value in it - although our range can certainly be substaintially wider, i. e. Axs e. g. But I don't think 18/15s have enough understanding of the game. But we would have a hard time calling the turn bet with less than AT for instance, if he is not a degenerate floater.
On the other hand, they also often don't have enough understanding of the game that their AJ bet is not for value, but they feel they have the best hand, so they bet. But I think, at 100NL it's okay to assume they understand the difference between value and bluff - most of them. At 50NL, it would be different, because they just bet, because they fear the threat of "cappedness" above all other things.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:37 PM   #13
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

what is his 3-bet and fold to flop c-bet?
x/c turn, x/(f/c) river depending of sizing
or b/f turn, x/f river as option
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:12 PM   #14
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:25 PM   #15
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Re: 100NL: TP in not very nice post-flop situation

I think c/c turn may not actually be that bad. If he's "pretty aggro post", as you say, then he could be floating a bunch on the flop, and could also have KJ type hands (even KQ I think), I think. I think it's a dry enough flop that it seems like it's good for you to cbet and an aggro postflop player can peel light on one street.

If he checks behind I bet most rivers.
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