Hello.
I am new to the forum and i dont have any programs.

Hold'em No Limit (€0.50/€1 EUR 6-max
I am new to the table, i dont have any reads on opponents.

BB (€107 in chips)
UTG: (€222.18 in chips)
MP: (€212.77 in chips)
CO: (€102 in chips)
B: HERO(€110.89 in chips)
SB: (€115.88 in chips)

I am on the button with A8
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, B raise to 2, SB folds, BB calls.
FLOP: 284
BB checks,hero bet 3, bb raises to 11,hero raises to 27, BB calls.
TURN: 3
bb checks
it is 60 in the pot and i have 80 behind. What can i do ?

Don't 3bet flop.

Check now and play river.

option 1: check turn; see a free river. <<<i'd go with this option w/ position.
option 2: shove turn, you'll have equity if called.

I can't imagine any value hand that c/r the flop that wants to check this turn...

99, TT, overs + flush draw, 67cc

At least TT would be likely to 3bet preflop and given these positions potentially 99 as well. On the flop there's no reason to c/r these hands as you isolate yourself vs the parts of villain's range that has you crushed and have to fold if you ever get 3bet.

Not to mention those hands should probably bet the turn for protection so I would say no those don't c/r the flop for value and then check turn.

This is certainly possible but likely a small part of villain's range and some of those combos would be much more successful as 3 street bluffs gaining equity by folding out higher flush draws in our range and some weak made hands.

Clear bluff candidate and not a value hand on the flop so again I disagree.

there are good reasons to 3bet TT/99 but it's player-dependent. A lot of people prefer flatting mid PPs in that spot and not having to face a potential 4bet. C/R otf is fine with 99-TT, doesn't necessarily isolate yourself with hands that have you crushed because a lot of times you're folding their equity such as 2 overs, weak gutshots, while making a lot of draws pay.

how is 67cc not a value raise? it's similar to overs + flush

Villains range is quite heavily weighted towards 99-TT and some FD's.

You also have quite a lot outs. Also if V is also on FD you have huge implied odds OTR. However your SD value isn't really strong enough against villains range that checks here OTT, can't honestly see FD's checking here.

Shoving seems the most +EV option here, as 99-TT aren't really snap calls here by villains perspective.

That's fine but I doubt those players that call TT/99 are c/r those hands here. I certainly don't doubt that 99 is in his flatting range and some TT. Not surprisingly against his entire cbet range you have a very clear equity advantage with these hands (60/40 from my calcs but maybe more depending on how liberal the cbettor is). That doesn't mean they are good c/r hands.

Maybe crushed was the wrong word. I think you're putting more money in against a range that has you at 60/40 when called. Idk why you'd want the hands you have listed to fold since you're at least 70/30 against them.


KcQc has a 4% equity advantage over the continuing range I assigned villain. 6c7c was 0. They are close though. vs a continuing range I wouldn't necesserily call this value raises though vs a range. Vs specific hands they obviously are. The worse thing 6c7c has going for it is that its pair draws are dominated.

LOL what kind of range are you assigning villain? there's no way KQcc is only 52-48 vs his range from just looking at the hand.

@67cc yes it loses its 6 pair outs to a a part of villain's range but it gains 4 nut outs that's good vs all their range.

Went back and put in a range that i tgought was reasonable and it was actually worse for KcQc. Hero's range is wide and uncapped here. Hero probably has a raising range that might make if better for KcQc against hero's calling range specifically.

Go ahead and run through a range analysis. I ran the calcs on my phone so can't copy the range that easily. I was even generous and included unpaired high cards with a single club and worse draws in hero's continuing range. Maybe my phone's equity calculator is off. 6c7c still had less equity.

what...we're still discussing hero's cbet range right? KQcc flipping vs his cbetting range (~35%) is just not real. unless you are talking about his 3betting range, which makes a bit more sense, though we were previously discussing hands that would raise flop for value then check turn.

No obviously KcQc has a ton of equity vs his cbet range but if villain chooses to c/r vs hero's cbet I'm talking about the range hero continues with (calls the c/r) that's why Idk why villain would choose to c/r big clubs for value vs hero's cbet since the range he faces when called has KcQc at a slight equity disadvantage and he folds out hands he would prefer to stay in. Any way, it villain DID choose to c/r the flop then there's no reason he'd want to check the turn as he should be trying to fold out Acxc in hero's range as well as week pairs that would have defended the flop but can't call multiple barrells.

4bet flop is a mistake, call is better. You have position and ton of equity and you don't want to fold if he shoves all-in with a set kind of nutty hand where you will be a 1:4 underdog with all your chips in.

Decision on turn is kind of complicated but personally I would just shove at given stack sizes.

Checking turn does increase the odds that he is not on a value hand as you mentioned in an earlier post. Could hero's 4bet have slowed him down on the turn? Players don't tend to donk bet into prior-street raises that often.

Made a typo. I meant 3bet, not 4bet

Wow Idk how I missed the 3bet the first time around. Yea my original comment makes no sense.