100NL: Set on dry board vs. nit

[bdon22]

Villain is 18/11/AF58% over ~100 hands, no other reads

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($112)
Hero ($121)
CO ($17)
BTN ($20)
SB ($117)
BB ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 3 3
UTG raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 3 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: 2 3 8 ($9.50, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: 7 ($9.50, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $6, Hero raises to $18, BB folds, UTG raises to $58, Hero ???

[wooziephantom]

sigh

[5thStreetHog]

Bet the flop.

[Holdem_lol]

ur check behind on the flop is beyond awefull

[lifes3ps]

Originally Posted by Holdem_lol

ur check behind on the flop is beyond awefull

i understand the "build the pot" mentality, but theres ~2 draws and 1s a gutshot, top pair (8x) probably only calls one street as he doesnt many T/R. i dont see the reasons for raising here, you dont want to fold KQ type hands and will get decent value from any 2 overs which hit a turn.

now if you want to gay bet the flop to build the pot i could see that, but you can get 2 streets of value on a lot of good turns

[ikestoys]

Originally Posted by lifes3ps

i understand the "build the pot" mentality, but theres ~2 draws and 1s a gutshot, top pair (8x) probably only calls one street as he doesnt many T/R. i dont see the reasons for raising here, you dont want to fold KQ type hands and will get decent value from any 2 overs which hit a turn.

now if you want to gay bet the flop to build the pot i could see that, but you can get 2 streets of value on a lot of good turns

your check behind on the flop is awful.

[bdon22]

betting flop gets folds so often i think it's more +EV to let them catch up on the turn.

my turn raise size is probably a bit on the small size, i should have just made it closer to pot ~21

the trouble now is what happens when he b3b? as a nit it looks a lot like 77 but i think he could be doing this with 22/88/oddly played AA once in a while or something like AKss/AQss that has 2 overs+NFD

[ikestoys]

Originally Posted by bdon22

betting flop gets folds so often i think it's more +EV to let them catch up on the turn.

no.

my turn raise size is probably a bit on the small size, i should have just made it closer to pot ~21

the trouble now is what happens when he b3b? as a nit it looks a lot like 77 but i think he could be doing this with 22/88/oddly played AA once in a while or something like AKss/AQss that has 2 overs+NFD

you slowplayed and got exactly what you wanted. dont ****ing fold now.

[tripdeuces]

Your logic for not betting the flop is incredibly flawed. As it stands you have a set and he can bet 3betting 9Ts or something stupid so just ship though i suppose you are are probably beat but thats obv your own fault.....for checking the flop.

[tripdeuces]

If i could add UTG has hands in his range that he is going to c/c the flop with like 55, 66, and guess what 77 oh noes

[kevl510]

I'm trying to understand the replies in this thread Are people in this thread saying checking the flop is bad because it allows 77 to catch up? Even if the hero does bet the flop, wont 77 still call and hit his set? Can someone please explain more on how checking this flop here is "beyond awful?"

[tripdeuces]

No that is not what we are saying. Your hand is the nizzles and you wanna play for stacks so build the pot on the flop and try to get it in by the river\ basically. You just miss sooooo much value by not betting the flop.

[Slayer]

if i were a mod would i be able to just snap-delete these threads?

[ikestoys]

Originally Posted by kevl510

I'm trying to understand the replies in this thread Are people in this thread saying checking the flop is bad because it allows 77 to catch up?

No we're saying you played the hand badly so you got a bad result.

Even if the hero does bet the flop, wont 77 still call and hit his set? Can someone please explain more on how checking this flop here is "beyond awful?"

pot is 10 bbs. lets say you get three streets of value. 8bbs flop makee the pot 26 on the turn. 22 turn makes pot 70bb. Shove river nets you 100bbs max. Getting 2 streets means you can only make 33bb max. Add in the fact people call flops wider than turns and turns wider than rivers it becomes a simple ldo just bet the flop.

[tripdeuces]

Ike you are obviously ignoring how checking the flop will let you 4bet get it in on the turn.