It's kind of silly to say that PF is a mistake because of wanting to fold this flop. For one thing, villian may be cont betting 60% or something and giving up on the vast majority of other occasions, which gives part of the value you need.

If there are enough players to act who may 3-bet (lively shorties etc) then it probably can make it a fold PF, but otherwise it's OK imo.

Not really. If we hit a set we are more likely to get paid off against a stronger range, also nit usually play straightforward, but most importantly we are not last to act and by calling we are inviting other players to join making the perspective of hitting a set even juicier.

Wow, plenty of hate for my "pre mistake" comment. But think about it: We get one of the best flops possible for our hand. A paired T high flop (his range don't contain many tens), and we still want to fold. My only conclusion is that we basically setmined pre(?) which is expensive against a 4x open. Looking at everyone behind us and thinking that makes coldcalling better so we can overset them or w/e is just wrong imo, when the danger of getting squeezed far outweights that scenario. I'm not saying straight out that coldcalling 77 is bad here, but we need to have plans/ideas for flops that don't give us a set or we won't profit on it. It's just my op though, feel free to argue.

I think you underestimate the fact that villain quite often just c/f a lot of flops he misses completely. Like 489tt, J28r etc. You are right that this is a good flop for our hand, but imho it's more important what villain is doing. J28 is "good" for 77 aswell, but if villain c-bets I will give up. A QT6tt is bad for our hand, but if villain checks it suddenly become good. Does it make sense?

Nirwanda, what you're saying is true if villain cbets 100% but he doesn't. It may or may not be true against someone who cbets ~60%, it depends on how balanced his checking range is. If he c/f 40% of flops then flatting any playable hand is fine.

Anyhow, I would guess that even this nit cbets this flop with all his air and hero's equity against his preflop range is not significantly worse than against a standard TAG because villain has no Tx combos. That would make the flop a call, especially given that he won't apply any pressure on the turn.

Competent villains won't see a profitable squeezing opportunity with an 18/13 guy opening UTG and us cold calling in MP.

because he never has a T (except for Quads), we can rep all kind of sets and he might think we can have Tx here
If your image is clean villain should fold AA if you shove the river

Question: Can somebody who advocates raising otf explain to me why they think this is good? We rep nothing and we're essentially "raising for information" which I think it's a terrible idea.

If we think that - due to flop texture - villain is cbetting close to 100%, then we are ahead of about ~50% of that range. So, why don't we just peel once and brl the turn instead, if he checks to us? That way we get all the "information" we want without having to risk chips too early... Am I missing something here?

Side note: fwiw, turning our hand into a bluff and trying to get the nit off an OP, seems very costly to me and even borderline FPSing. We are setting mine exactly because we are expecting them to never fold those hands so I don't see how this line would make any sense (regardless on whether we would make the fold in villain's shoes or not).

Thnx very much for replys.
I do see now, it wasn't the best fold. I like calling once, more now.
How would you play AK on the flop?
I think id fold 55-22 pre, 77/66 id call though.. same with you guys?
Id call all of em to a 3x open.