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Old 07-17-2012, 06:56 AM   #1
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100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

$1.00 BB (6 handed)

UTG ($112)
Hero (MP) ($155.65)
CO ($88.50)
Button ($94.50)
SB ($49.18)
BB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7, 7
UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4, 4 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 10, 4, 10 (2 players)
UTG bets $6.75, Hero

Villain was 18/13 over 561 hands, he opens 9% in EP and cbets 62% on flop, stats say 30% turn barrel also(dunno what's up with that, maybe he c/c or c-rs often or c/fs toppairs on the turn?).
My hand feels pretty marginal in this situation.
Would you rather call every AK combo here than 77(without a spade)/66/55?
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:03 AM   #2
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

I don't mind calling flop here noting how dry the board is and his middling cbet stat on flop, and low turn cbet. 9% EP open is the only thing that has me doubting this...
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:04 AM   #3
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

I would call one bet vs the nit and see what he does on turn.

I'm floating this flop with 77 against some and raising flop against others.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:46 AM   #4
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

This is way nits can make money. Preflop is fine, unless the players behind are squeeze-monekys. I just fold flop and save myself some bb's. If you don't want to fold now I like raising more than flatting since a nit probably isn't too strong in hand reading and see ghosts everywhere, so you might even make him fold better hands and at least hands with decent equity like QK with a spade or so.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:07 PM   #5
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

Ok cool, i folded. Thnx guys.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:27 PM   #6
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

By folding this flop, I assume you also realize that pre is a mistake.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:14 PM   #7
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

fold pre or raise and barrell off ur stack to this nit who has like 0 Ts in his range...
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:35 PM   #8
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

Any reads on how he plays A high as PFR out of position? If he cbets a ton I think it would be a clear flop call, but his cbet is only 62% which makes me hesitant to continue.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:36 PM   #9
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

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By folding this flop, I assume you also realize that pre is a mistake.
Could you elaborate?
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:39 PM   #10
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

Pot it and see..over pair calls right, rest fold?
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:33 AM   #11
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

I would probably, either peel one street and re-evalute turn or fire a 3x bet raise to see how he reacts since the board is pretty perfect for a cbet by any unpaired hand he raised UTG which should be a part of a nits range; AK/AQ. Also if we're calling him a straight out nit it should be easy for us to spook him off some overpairs given TTx on the board, and we have the possibility of representing flushcards as well.

I really don't understand why someone is saying that pre was a mistake, if opponent is perceived as a complete nit, we hope to set on a semi-dry board where he will happily stack off an overpair. Our hand value diminishes if we 3 bet him since his UTG raise range will probably 4 bet. I'm happy to hear Nirwanda's argument for the PFC being a mistake though?
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:55 AM   #12
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

people want to fold low PPs vs tight ranges IP now? o0
Could you please say something more about that Nirwanda?
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:52 AM   #13
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

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people want to fold low PPs vs tight ranges IP now? o0
Could you please say something more about that Nirwanda?
He's saying you don't have the implied odds to play 77 in this spot purely for set value.

In addition there just isn't much point in calling preflop, if you are just going to fold one of the better flops for 77. TT4 with backdoor spades is about as good as it gets without flopping a set.

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Pot it and see..over pair calls right, rest fold?
Make all worse hands fold and get all better hands to call? Sounds like a pretty ****ty proposition to me.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:45 AM   #14
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

Just woke up, misread Nirwandas post a little

But I wouldnt expect a 18/13 to be the most competent of players so we should have the odds to setmine no?

I call flop though, with the intention of bluffing later on if villain continues aggression
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:59 AM   #15
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Re: 100NL: mid-value hand in tight spot

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I call flop though, with the intention of bluffing later on if villain continues aggression
Why would we want to bluff vs aggression from this nit who is only 2barreling 30% of the time? The only reason we might be able to call flop here is because the nit seems to play pretty straightforwardly on the turn and we can check down vs AK AQ etc
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