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Old 07-29-2012, 05:23 AM   #1
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100NL: Krantz never folds this

$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

SB: $107.14 (107.1 bb)
BB: $104.50 (104.5 bb)
MP: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $116 (116 bb)
Hero (BTN): $198.51 (198.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q J
2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, SB folds, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $5.50

Flop: ($16.50) Q K 9 (2 players)
BB bets $13, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($42.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $25, Hero

Villain just sat down, had like 3 hands on him. He has a clever name, full stack and hasn't yet limped, sizing seems reasonable, so likely a reg imo.

Wondered if you have a raising range on this flop, what does it consist of? Like are you raising sets/2pair/str8 any bluffs?

Im assuming people don't have a calling range on this turn, so what are you doing with this hand and KT/KJ and why?
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:26 AM   #2
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

Why would we not have a calling range?
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:22 AM   #3
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

Probably raising flop with QK, 99, some draws and sometimes JT.
To balance i would raise some hands not good enough to call like AJ/AT with some value. But probably calling 80% of the time if i decide to continue the hand.

Think most people have a calling range. I dont love calling with KT but think it is the best option. I think I would ship QJ if i had picked up fd because we have so much outs and have some FE vs AK. And he has to fold most of his draws and his bluffs.
Otherwise opponent dependent vs unknown but probably reg just folding.
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:55 AM   #4
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

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Probably raising flop with QK, 99, some draws and sometimes JT.
To balance i would raise some hands not good enough to call like AJ/AT with some value.
I don't think we should be raising AJ AT or whatever for the sake of balance. We should only be bluff raising those hands if we think its going to be +ev which on this board i highly doubt it is.

Im raising 2p+ on this flop and some bigger combo draws and not worried too much about having bluffs in my range.
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Old 07-29-2012, 08:02 AM   #5
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

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Wondered if you have a raising range on this flop, what does it consist of? Like are you raising sets/2pair/str8 any bluffs?
Yes, most of the time. And sometimes complete air.
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:06 AM   #6
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

i would flat KQ/set/JT quite often on the flop tbh given that our range for calling the flop is very weak(****load of flushdraws, pair + draw etc) making villain quite likely to just fire off
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:12 AM   #7
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

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I don't think we should be raising AJ AT or whatever for the sake of balance. We should only be bluff raising those hands if we think its going to be +ev which on this board i highly doubt it is.
I dont really agree with you. First off if you never raise this board with anything then (monster) draw or 2pair+ he will have easy time folding AK/AA if you raise this board. Because he is either crushed or flipping.
Therefor I think we should bluf this board with air sometimes. And in my opinion we should be blufraising the air with which we really cant call as +EV, but with some value like 1 over + gutshot to nuts. If he ships we have an easy fold and if he calls we can represent some hands too on turn (fd most likely).

He also have some FE. He may have 3bet 22-66 because he cant play those hands profitably OOP. He could have bet JJ/TT because he cant check/call and dont want to c/f his gutshot. He might even fold AQ though he could go for PC on the flop and of course he could have hand like QTo/QJo/ATo/KTo and our raise will make life difficult for him.
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:29 AM   #8
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

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i would flat KQ/set/JT quite often on the flop tbh given that our range for calling the flop is very weak(****load of flushdraws, pair + draw etc) making villain quite likely to just fire off
That's a leak tbh imo.
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:46 AM   #9
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

our raising range is quite strong and our calling range very weak
just strengthening that weak calling range by flatting a strong hand from time to time is very good but even in a vacuum just calling is often the more +ev way to play the hand given that he
a) stacks off lighter for value(he is never folding KJ/KT on blank turns oftentimes not even Qx)
b)is very likely to keep barreling hands that would otherwise just fold

the tighter villains 3betting range the more inclined I am to just go ahead and raise his cbet tho to avoid the scary turns

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Old 07-29-2012, 11:01 AM   #10
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

Yeah, don't think our calling range is all that weak. It would include AK, if you choose to sometimes flat it IP. Also, it would include good pair+draw hands that in a lot of run-outs would improve.
No doubt, strengthening your calling range by calling with strong hands has its merits, but I think on such a wet board, raising is just fine.
As you pointed out, there is such a high % of bad turn cards that will either freeze the action or leave us guess/calling.
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:35 PM   #11
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

I might just fold the flop vs this scary sizing and unknown.
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Old 07-29-2012, 03:03 PM   #12
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

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our raising range is quite strong and our calling range very weak
just strengthening that weak calling range by flatting a strong hand from time to time is very good but even in a vacuum just calling is often the more +ev way to play the hand given that he
a) stacks off lighter for value(he is never folding KJ/KT on blank turns oftentimes not even Qx)
b)is very likely to keep barreling hands that would otherwise just fold

the tighter villains 3betting range the more inclined I am to just go ahead and raise his cbet tho to avoid the scary turns
+1, with more standard stacks Cashy is quite right, obviously the deeper you get the more raising of flops you may do to put pressure on your opponents range in position.

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Old 07-29-2012, 03:21 PM   #13
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

+1 to what Cashy posted
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:09 PM   #14
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

agree with cashy and also with the guy who pointed out his huge flop sizing and we should probably just be folding there
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:41 PM   #15
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Re: 100NL: Krantz never folds this

actually just had a good example against a really aggro 3bettor in a somewhat similar spot


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($178.58)
SB ($106)
BB ($103.21)
UTG ($127.06)
MP ($180.36)
Hero (CO) ($138.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, 8
2 folds, Hero bets $2.33, 1 fold, SB raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $6.67

Flop: ($19) 8, J, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $11, Hero calls $11

Turn: ($41) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero raises to $118.15 (All-In), SB calls $64 (All-In)

River: ($213) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $213 | Rake: $2.80

Results:
SB had A, Q (one pair, eights).
Hero had J, 8 (full house, eights over Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $210.20

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