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| Small Stakes PL/NL Discussions regarding small stakes pot and no-limit hold'em (50c-1 to 1-2) |
12-08-2008, 06:35 AM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Location: NYC
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100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($107)
BB ($119)
UTG ($102)
UTG+1 ($169)
CO ($238)
BTN ($118)
Dealt to Hero K  K
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $4, Hero raises to $13, fold, BTN calls $9,
FLOP ($27) 2  8  K
Hero ?
Villain is a TAG.
I slowplay very rarely but on such a dry flop, I thought for a while about what to do.
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12-08-2008, 06:45 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: BKK
Posts: 4,876
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
depends on how he perceives your range. if he sees your range as JJ+, AK - check and rep JJ and QQ. if he sees your range as wider than that, c-bet and get called by 99-QQ. if he sees your range as very very wide, c-bet and get shoved over by air.
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12-08-2008, 07:34 AM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: implied threat
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
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Originally Posted by Jigsaws
depends on how he perceives your range. if he sees your range as JJ+, AK - check and rep JJ and QQ. if he sees your range as wider than that, c-bet and get called by 99-QQ. if he sees your range as very very wide, c-bet and get shoved over by air. 
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this is about it, yes
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12-08-2008, 07:48 AM
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banned
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: MASSIVEPOKERBALLA
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
Unless villain is bluffy i'd bet all day.
If he has 22-JJ excluding the flopped sets then he is just going to be checking down behind you anyway and if you bet you will probably get at least 1 barrel of value of a hand like 1010.
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12-08-2008, 09:38 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 87
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
Unless you have reason to think villian is going to bet when checked to, you are better off cbetting and hoping he has something he is willing to continue with.
Otherwise, you are checking with the intention of letting him "catch up." There aren't many cards that could land the turn where villian is going to be putting more money in the pot.
Had the flop been 28Tr or something similar, the flop check would be mandatory.
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12-08-2008, 09:56 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 259
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
you are cbetting this flop no matter what your cards are so your range is very wide.
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12-08-2008, 11:35 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: St. Catharines
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
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Originally Posted by Jamsym
Unless villain is bluffy i'd bet all day.
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This makes no sense at all.
If villain is bluffy it's reason to bet.
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12-08-2008, 11:37 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: moving up and down
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
Check you're very likely to fold out midpairs and A high which are the big majority of his range.
Bet turn smallish
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12-08-2008, 11:46 AM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 741
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
When you check flop your range is anything, since propably you are c-betting a flop like that a ton.
When you check flop your range is monster or sd value hand.
If I check flop, I think I check turn too, but oop its not good.
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12-08-2008, 11:55 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NYC
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
bet and agree about slowplaying. its weak and won't make too much money in the long run. need to build pots, especially OOP. helps with meta, people might spazz, floating is common. this situations come up too often in cash, no real reason to slowplay in general vs unknowns.
you are betting this flop close to 100% of the time. i just saw that this is 3bet pre so don't even think about it. have you 3bet him light before?
sps,
if you check flop, you check turn. you must hate money.
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12-08-2008, 12:00 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,887
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
bet 14, simple as that
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12-08-2008, 12:04 PM
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#12
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grinder
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 451
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
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Originally Posted by Jigsaws
depends on how he perceives your range. if he sees your range as JJ+, AK - check and rep JJ and QQ. if he sees your range as wider than that, c-bet and get called by 99-QQ. if he sees your range as very very wide, c-bet and get shoved over by air. 
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I like this, barring a read, I think checking is better.
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12-08-2008, 12:05 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,330
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
check
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12-08-2008, 12:15 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SSNL tech nerd imo?
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
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Originally Posted by craiggerz
This makes no sense at all.
If villain is bluffy it's reason to bet.
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it depends. If he's bluffy but good, when you check this flop it's never to c/fold and he should know that. If he's bluffy/can't read hands/bad then checking and hoping he goes retarded is fine.
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12-08-2008, 12:29 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,330
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Re: 100NL - I flop the nuts on a dry flop
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f he has 22-JJ excluding the flopped sets then he is just going to be checking down behind you anyway and if you bet you will probably get at least 1 barrel of value of a hand like 1010.
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if you check the flop you give yourself a chance to get 2 streets of value from these hands
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