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08-23-2014 , 08:09 AM
Wondering about my bet sizes throughout this hand.
First of all, do you just flat flop?
How big do you raise turn?
What sizing do you pick OTR?
I don't like my jam very much. If i were to jam i should have raised bigger. I just thought that if he has Jx or weaker flush he is not folding. Overbet looks slightly bluffy too.
Btw i've seen a lot of fish flatting weak flushes on the river. So I'm not sure if he would raise a flush, if we were to b/c.
He was 22/6, but had 36% limp, so quite fishy.

partypoker - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $103.15 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
UTG: $85.85 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: $86.48 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (BTN): $103.93
SB: $100.00 (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has 3 A

UTG calls $1.00, fold, Hero raises to $4.00, fold, fold, UTG calls $3.00

Flop: ($9.50, 2 players) J K 7
UTG bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00

Turn: ($15.50, 2 players) J
UTG bets $6.00, Hero raises to $18.00, UTG calls $12.00

River: ($51.50, 2 players) 5
UTG checks, Hero bets $78.93 and is all-in,
08-23-2014 , 02:02 PM
I usually flat flop but given this small donk bet I'd rather raise to try to get him off a 7x or a Jx.

I'd raise turn much bigger and shove river as long as its username is not nanonoko.
08-23-2014 , 03:32 PM
On KJ7hhx i think he'd be less likely to donk/fold and good turn cards to double barrel are going to be sparse. I would just call.

Turn could be a touch bigger than 3x. I'd prob make it 23.
08-24-2014 , 12:01 AM
Seriously, what do we care? Even if he's donk/calling instead of donk/folding we're not losing any value. We may as well raise to just try to get him off weak hands which have good equity against us. If he calls then fine, whatever, we're still flipping the majority of the time.

The reason I'm not raising 100% of the time is that against a normal sized donk we're up against a hand that's not folding and which is fliipping against us at worst. Against a smallish donk bet, he's flipping at best.
08-24-2014 , 12:29 AM
Seems fine
08-24-2014 , 04:51 AM
Raising the flop doesnt seem so good because he might be donking out Q 10 or a weaker flushdraws and when we check back turn, i doubt we are bluffcatching rivers? He will be checking rivers after donking his weaker draws quite often i assume.
08-24-2014 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pyha Karu
Raising the flop doesnt seem so good because he might be donking out Q 10 or a weaker flushdraws and when we check back turn, i doubt we are bluffcatching rivers? He will be checking rivers after donking his weaker draws quite often i assume.
If he's the kind of player who is trying to price himself in with his draws by donking, then he's probably also the kind of player who'd call with them when he gets raised.
We can't let QT realize its equity freely anyway.
08-24-2014 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Babarberousse
Seriously, what do we care? Even if he's donk/calling instead of donk/folding we're not losing any value. We may as well raise to just try to get him off weak hands which have good equity against us. If he calls then fine, whatever, we're still flipping the majority of the time.

The reason I'm not raising 100% of the time is that against a normal sized donk we're up against a hand that's not folding and which is fliipping against us at worst. Against a smallish donk bet, he's flipping at best.
Thanks for going into more detail. So your plan would be to follow through a lot of turn cards too?
08-24-2014 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mucknuts
Thanks for going into more detail. So your plan would be to follow through a lot of turn cards too?
Yeah, pretty much any card except maybe a non heart J or a non heart T as these improve villain's range.
08-29-2014 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Babarberousse
Yeah, pretty much any card except maybe a non heart J or a non heart T as these improve villain's range.
absolutly this, raising flop vs this smallish donk and this player has more value for the reason that V canot be strong here and will call most of his weaker draws on the flop anyway.

      
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