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NL20 Turn TT into a bluff? NL20 Turn TT into a bluff?

06-21-2017 , 02:33 PM
$20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $26.62 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 25, 3B: 12, AF: 1.7, Hands: 11306
UTG: $11.03 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 20, 3B: 4, AF: 2.8, Hands: 70
MP: $39.13 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 26, 3B: 11, AF: 4.3, Hands: 898
CO: $23.48 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 37
BTN: $18.80 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 69
SB: $56.39 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 20, 3B: 11, AF: 1.7, Hands: 396

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with T T
UTG raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $6.20, 2 folds, SB calls $3.60

Flop: ($13.20) 5 3 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($13.20) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.60, SB calls $6.60

River: ($26.40) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $26.40
Hero shows Td Ts
SB shows Js Jd
SB wins $25.08
(Rake: $1.32)


Villain is solid player - I'm not trying to get involved too much with him. I dont think he ch/calls turn w/ a FD so I'm just perplexed where he is range wise when he calls the turn. He's seen me check back some strong hands on flops both IP and OOP in 3bet pots.

Should I just always be firing 1/2 pot on this flop though too? I took his 3bet Pre as ISO'ing UTG who was a weak bad player so I was trying to 3bet for value - perhaps this is a flat PRE as well?
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06-21-2017 , 06:00 PM
Why is UTG weak? Even then, him iso'ing UTG whilst OOP, with CO likely to tag along seems pretty strong to me, like KQ+, TT+ strong.

Maybe I'm a nit, I fold pre, I think calling is pretty bad, as our hand is face up most of the times.

So I think his 4bet/c range is gonna be something like AK and QQ.

Yea I would fire flop, less than 1/2 bet though.

River, I just give it up, not much left behind
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06-21-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Why is UTG weak? Even then, him iso'ing UTG whilst OOP, with CO likely to tag along seems pretty strong to me, like KQ+, TT+ strong.
Agree, dont think this is a wide squeezing range, probably in a diff scenario as u describe is ok but this SB range is strong imo as well...

I do CB, since this bet is too strong, 1/3 is my size...
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06-21-2017 , 11:11 PM
Sorry - UTG had zero positional awareness WRT raising/playing hands pre flop. A raise UTG is the same range as a raise from CO or BU etc etc, which made me think this range was wider than usual.

I really have a hard time folding TT here though - can anyone offer some more argument for folding preflop? im open to hearing i just dont know if im convinced yet.

mchares - appreciate the response, do you dbl barrel or is this a 1 and done? or are you also thinking fold pre?
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06-21-2017 , 11:42 PM
Id fold preflop, I see and understand ur point where feels like SB's 3B is with a wider range than usual, but this is only an assumption, one that is not applying here that often, pool tend to be strong on this OOP scenario.
If we get 5B we are often beat, and folding when having this part of the stack in is cruel.
Id fold pre vs SB's 3B, calling is not good, never good...

BTW I found sometimes myself on SB SQ-3Bing with a wider range as well, and this is probably not good, we need always to respect position, and in here is very likely to be facing 3B pots post-flop being OOP, so keeping a solid range is better.
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06-22-2017 , 02:49 AM
dude killer response, i appreciate it - thank you.

I think maybe I'm not giving my opponents enough credit and assume I will be able to outplay more often post flop or at least get away from my hand and minimize my losses in a situation like this - it probably is leading towards some spewy play that is putting me into unnecessarily tough decisions post such as this one. (as well as perhaps a bit hyperbolic appraisal of my own game )
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06-22-2017 , 03:05 AM
This is definitely too thin to 4bet for value, you're always crushed by villain's continuing range. You'd be lucky to even be ahead of villain's 3betting range. Plus, with UTG being a short fish and SB sizing up, it'd be reasonable to think SB is even tighter here than usual.

There could be some merit to calling if UTG was as deep us as and BB was a mediocre/splashy reg, but I think there are too many factors working against us to do so.

I think this is fine assuming a river check, but betting the flop to deny equity could be prudent. You can't really credibly rep Kx after betting the turn.
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