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12-12-2013 , 08:05 AM
That would be bacause your image from this hand. It has nothing to do with your previous statement.
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12-12-2013 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by apo5tol
Because villain can make an adjustment by 4betting pretty much whole range in this spot. One that I would hate for him to make.
well, it s certainly not exploitable to fold one of the weakest hands you 3 bet here which does not have an equity edge against any hand he raises anyway. he ll lose a lot when he 4bets and runs into Aces/good Kings, premium rundowns, so unless you 4 bet lots of junk you re safe folding quite a bit to a 4 bet.

regarding the 5678, yeah, might as well muck it as well. the doublesuited ones are callable though.

Last edited by donkeykong2; 12-12-2013 at 09:30 AM.
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12-12-2013 , 09:34 AM
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why we'd ever be folding to 4bet here given that we can basically play and stack off perfectly in position
Yes because stacking off with 12% equity as Hero did is stacking off perfectly in position.

I agree with some of what donkeykong is saying here but not going to explain all of my thought process/reasoning right now.
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12-12-2013 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
but not going to explain all of my thought process/reasoning right now.
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12-12-2013 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by donkeykong2
first of all i find it funny that i have to bring arguments while you can just state something without arguments in your opinion.

if you plug this into propokertools you will see that you will flop over 33% equity against a top 6% range on roughly 60% of the flops. in that case you have roughly 50% equity. so when villain just pushes every flop you will "win" our initial investment (21+2 from blinds) compared to folding in these cases. in roughly 40% of the cases you will have to fold and lose additional 45 compared to preflop fold. 60%*23-40*45?=14-18=-4
so you lose 4 here on average if villain always stacks off any flop with top 6% compared to folding pre.
oh yeah and i discarded rake which will cost you a bit as well in expectation.
Shouldn't it be 60% of 44? 21+2+21.
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12-12-2013 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
Shouldn't it be 60% of 44? 21+2+21.
no, we only have 50%, thus only "win" our initial investment + overlay (blinds, should be 3/2->1.5 not 2) - rake.
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12-12-2013 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by donkeykong2
no, we only have 50%, thus only "win" our initial investment + overlay (blinds, should be 3/2->1.5 not 2) - rake.
i use the following method which helps with multiway situations. the way i calculate it is

(amount of pot - required bet) * (chance of required flop equity) * (avg flop equity) - ((1 - chance of required flop equity) * (required bet))

for the example above

((96- 45) * .6 * .5) - ((1 - .6) * 45)

15.3 - 18 = -2.7

Last edited by gradx; 12-12-2013 at 09:53 PM.
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12-12-2013 , 10:20 PM
Flatting this pre is significantly better than 3-betting 100bb deep vs. a strong reg with a wideish 4-bet range imo.

As played obv call and call.
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