villain 61/13
3b 2/11 over 23 hands



Is this just a call or can I ship it in here? On the flop he's repping AA, AJ, 33 quite a bunch and I couldn't see him betting too many of his worse value hands OTT once it pairs. His bet appears a bit weak though. He doesn't of course need to bet bigger to get stacks in OTR but I believe weaker players telegraph their hand strength a lot so I wondered if this is rather a shove before a scary river kills my action.

Villain's turn sizing is pretty standard on such a lockdown board. In general I think this line from a fish is very strong.

I agree. I wouldnt bet the flop though. It's not for value against so much people. Nothing to protect,I just x/c.

Flop bet is semi-bluff, not a value bet! It's pretty much the best hand to semi-bluff here. A wrap with J blocker and being able to rep AA.

That said, I like a check in this instance because we just don't have any room for multi-street bluff against anyone apart from SB because everyone is SS and if any of the SS players have Axxx then they probably aren't folding at all.

Anyway, shoving turn would be really bad. What is villain x/r flop with that he is now b/c turn with that we beat? A Jxxx hand that decided to bluff-raise flop? AKQT might be tempted to call but that's about it. Close imo between call and fold. I think if you call you have to be prepared to fold rivers even if you hit your FH.

As I said it's neither a value bet nor do we need protection. We can semi bluff against 2players at most I'd say in this spot with the arguments you stated. Why should we semi bluff against 4 players ever? But I guess we both know what we're meaning.

The more players in the pot, the stronger a bet looks! If all 4 players were full stacked (and at least 3 of them regs) then semi-bluffing in this spot can be a very strong play providing we follow it up with a 3 barrel on blank runouts.

typically efforts to bluff out 3 or more players do not end well. i tried a bluff 4 way today and all 3 of them called me??!?!?

As I said; we need to bluff the right players but we also need to understand that the flop bluff alone in isolation is -ev and that it's imperative that we follow up with at least a double barrel for it to be +ev.

This is a hold'em mentality iyam. It's not a value bet but we can be protecting from 45xx, 3xxx, even lower Jxxx, and get Axxx to fold in a 5-way pot. You gotta realize in PLO, we're not "protecting" against a 5 outer, we're protecting against an 11-outer if he has 3xxx. We're also extremely unlikely to get raised otf after pre and betting into 4 people. Seems like an incredibly easy bet.

Pretty good analysis imo. Seems like I didn't took enough time here. You convinced me. (But I still don't mind x/c^^)