Hi there,
I just started out with PLO and am enjoying way more than Hold'em so far.
Since I'd like to talk about my hands, I decided to join here.

This one of those hands, where i feel a bit lost. As far as history goes: I have played quite some hands with this player. I think, he is weak/tight. If he raises, he has at least topset.



In retroperspective, I don't like my bet on the turn. The 4 of hearts didn't improve my hand at all and it also doesn't look like it improves my hand.

Originally, my plan was to bet the turn and follow it up with a bluff on the river. However, when the board paired, I gave up on it, reasons being:

I thought, he may have some type of two pair hand, when calling both the flop and the turn. Since a decent amount of them would include a deuce that now filled up, he'd call with most of those hands. The other hands I give him would be all sorts of flush and some straightdraws.

I hate my play. I think, it would be better to either check behind the turn and see, if I can improve or to stick with the original plan and bluff on the river. TBH, I think, my overall play is at worst on the river.

Also, I was kinda suprised, when he showed down premium Kings and didn't 3bet pre.

Give me your thoughts, please.

Your hand is good often enough that you won't want to bluff here

Tons of players, not even just weak ones, will have KK and even AA here and will close to automatically just c/c you down. If anything our hand is closer to value-bet on river, but really both are bad, checking back is just by the best play. If your opponent is especially nitty and you do feel the need to go the bluffing route you at least need larger sizing.

A turn value/protection bet is fine when followed up by a river check. A turn checkback (usually followed by a river call or bet) is also fine.

Thanks. Betsizing seems always awkward for me. I tend to bet around 60-80% of the pot with pretty much all of my bets, slightly varying this on the situation. What sizing would you recommend?

You're sizing is fine both theory-wise and value-wise, but if you're trying to exploit some nit by moving him off KK-AA, you really need to make it look like you're just smashing a monster or he'll think you might be value-betting worse.

Betting river would be a value bet not a bluff lol.

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Pretty much the only hand that I can beat here is a random Jack and Queens with a worse kicker.

Maybe I didn't come across clearly the first time. I am not certain, what to do on the turn and then (depending on the turn) on the river. The orignal plan was to bluff the river (in case I don't improve) to potentially fold out QJ, Q2 and J2. I didn't follow through with that plan, because I have showdown value against failed draws and the better hands aren't likely to fold.

What I learned from this hand/discussion
- My opponent will have way less deuces (and 4s) and way more overpairs in his range than I originally thought. This is, because he is not the "usual" PLO2 guy that calls with any 4 cards, but a pretty tight player.
- While I consider him to be weak/tight doesn't mean, he is stupid. Clearly, I won't have many deuces (and 4s) either. So, when I am betting the turn this size, I am basically turning my hand face up.
This happens to me a lot/too much, I think like okay, I need to protect my hand against the flushdraw. When in truth nobody will ever fold a flushdraw to that size anyways and by betting too small I take away a lot of the credibilty of a potential riverbluff.
- All things considered, I prefer a turncheck followed by a rivercall/check to my previous play. This way I give him the opportunity to bluff with some of his failed draws and lose the same amount, when he decides to bet his Kings. I still wouldn't really want to bet this river, because I think, It is hard to get called by worse Queens or random Jacks, especially from this player.

Agree. Besides the villain is never folding on turn or river.

It's just a bad run out for the OP. Nothing to see here.

As to the title question, I would probably bluff here with a hand like J4xx, AKJx, or a worse queen. AQxx no hearts I think is a reasonable bluff but overall I like the way you played this hand.

I think we want to block the jack, but not turn a queen into a bluff.

wtf is this thread.

villain often has AA or KK at 2PLO after just calling pre.? In what universe?

Hero is somehow turning his hand into a bluff when he bets a brick turn with TPTK and 6+ outs to the nuts; dominating all the draws that didn't hit BDFD?

Villain assumed super tight, and indeed didn't raise a turn that gives him massive equity ... and we shouldn't bet????

Hell if I knew villain had a range of AA/KK/QJ I'd bet probably pot.