So the small blind to my right is overly aggressive preflop with mediocre hands. I'm just lying in wait, to reraise him with a premium hand.

He puts a third of his stack in and its an easy shove with aces.

I'm quite surprised when the original raiser calls off his entire stack with 3567ss and even more surprised when I see after the hand that he had the most equity! (42% vs 38% and 20%)

I don't know if original raiser made a calculated decision or is just a bit of a gambler.

My question is this:
Are there situations where as a winning player you would call cold a 100bb raise preflop with 3567?

if not, what about 4567ds?

My thoughts on this question:

When there's an all in situation preflop you can expect to see AAxx, KKxx, or high cards. Calling with a low rundown would appear to do well against these ranges.

a 3 way pot seems to be a close call... but 4 way looks like an easy call with 4567, even without double suits.

This sort of thing happens a lot when tight, high card–heavy ranges intersect.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
7h5h3h6c	34.46%	204,979	3,609
4%	30.34%	157,408	49,291
AA	35.19%	185,951	50,444

Against these ranges, MP would be making a slight (~2 bb) profit after rake.

But the wider the ranges become, the worse off he is.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
7h5h3h6c	32.15%	190,761	4,245
15%	31.14%	179,893	13,963
6%	36.71%	213,716	13,084

Against these ranges, he's breaking even after rake.

So yeah, it happens, but build your intuition with EV calcs before you get too out of line in-game.

Just for fun:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
8s6d4c2h	30.12%	178,946	3,555
AA	37.85%	200,039	54,170
4%	32.03%	165,637	53,058

But don't count on ever being able to take advantage of this.

You never go allin, because your hand is way more diguised than the known high card combo's, so a call is better to be able to fold many flops you totally miss. You can call an allin though.
You obv do it in situations when it is really likely that multiple opponents have high cards (nits making lots of action/ dry 4 bet ). The only problem is that sometimes another player has the same thought process and has something like 789t, which is terrible for your hand. Also really important to check what your odds are. In this situation, villian has already put in 5bb, utg 1, and it is likely that CO and btn fold (putting 5bb in dead each) or also call with another high card combo.

Pretty sure MP in your example made a plus EV allin, as long as SB is a tight player. Especially of you can somehow weigh the CO and BTN ranges as high card heavy.

@ rei, didn't read your posts yet when i made that. Great post. One thing to note on your first equity example is that the 3567 combo already has 5bb in, so if he realises those equities it would be solidly plus EV. If BTN and CO are more high card then low card heavy (seems like a fair assumption), than the situation gets better for you.

Only (major) problem in that equity simulation, is that in a aaxx and 4% range, never is another low rundown included. And i've experienced it regularly that one of the guys makes the same thought process or is just on tilt or whatever. And being with 3567, 5678 and aaxx is ofcourse terrible

By the way, it's also really good for your image to call that hand of pre. And can sometimes put people on tilt

My biggest pot i've luckboxed on stars was a low rundown preflop allin. Don't like my first call form the sb there, but the second one is mandatory. Was really plus EV situation there for me, despite a 89tj in there and a 4 and 6 out.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/view-han...GameID=1131884

OK guys... after starting this thread and reading your responses, I found myself in a position to make this play... what do you think?

equity against these particular hands was 46%
also there's 7bb dead and i've put in 3bb myself

Edit: LOL just realised it was exact same hand as thread title. Crazy world right?

6 buyin? Why?

Yes, but obviously only if you´re willing to stack off.

One situation would be two nits getting in a raising war pre that makes it seems pretty obvious that at least one of them has AA and probably both of them hold the same hand.

Simple tip: dont put your hopes into pushing (m)any edges preflop with low suited rundowns. The money to be made that way is a smallest fraction of your profits as a regular, and it will only get smaller later. I remember hoping to develop an edge by playing those hands fancy, 3betting and so on, but that has passed as my knowledge increased. Thus that should not be a big concern of yours